Smartphone innovation — How iOS and Android “borrow” from each other | TECH(talk)


hi and welcome back to Tech Talk I’m Ken
Mingis executive editor Computerworld I’m here today with PC worlds Michael
Simon and computer world Android expert JR Raphael with Al know the big topic
is innovation you know we’re talking about Google versus Apple who does
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nice because of course if you we don’t want a food fight well it is internet I
know and but you know this could be kind of touchy it’s you know Android versus
Iowa no one has opinions about it of course not I should note that I’ve just
had my flu shot so if I pass out please cut the camera and these guys will keep
going without me I’m not that important okay guys so innovation you know this
has come up this basically comes up every fall as Apple releases a new
version of iOS Android you know new version of Android n Tour 10 is out now
and there’s always sort of this debate about you know who’s stealing from whom
who’s got the better idea Junior and I had a recent show talking
about gestures and Android and how they’re creeping from you know iOS and
iOS has dark mode which I believe showed up first on Android well anyway go let’s
go so dark mode was threatened for years yeah promise hop up it would go away
with pop up it would go away I mean Android wasn’t the first person
to do Apple certainly not the first person to do dark more apps a bit
experiment we determine you with dark mode forever you know chrome whatever
app you use you know you there the the more well-known it was all peels modes
it was always easier rather than being like assistant there with you know an
earlier beta versions dark mode was around an Android it was never an option
in Iowa’s until June when I was 13 right so technically Android was first in
other words technically I am correct is okay I’m glad we got this so okay yeah
so who’s all right not just kidding um do we have any sense as we go back and
forth every fall whether is it even possible to say that you know Google
or Apple is innovating more or faster or is it really the sort of same back and
forth that used to see between like Windows and and an apple you know one
feature will come out then somebody tries to one-up it and then the next
year somebody won’t UPS that I mean you know that the triple cameras last year
Apple is finally catching up with the you know the computational photography
things like that I mean what do you guys think there’s anybody winning here who
wins I think it goes back and forth and I think we people buying these things
ultimately win because that’s you know the end of the day we’re not playing
teams we’re not on the team of our team iOS baby
well you certainly yeah yeah I mean you know we should be rooting for having
better products and with the gestures there’s no question that I had already
borrowed a little bit of it but at a certain point it’s something becoming a
standard a certain can be treated as a standard and that makes it easier for
everybody because if you’ve been in your family like we were talking about a
moment ago if you or a spouse or a child or whatever switch platforms at some
point it’s that much easier to know what you’re doing when there’s a standard
method of getting around and I think we could come up with a huge amount of
examples like over time it it seems like it goes back and forth some years back
there were it was kind of the the standard joke in the Android community
like the Apple event like what Android features is Apple can announce this no
we had the typically like widgets and the hot word voice activation even the
the today screen which is kind of modeling off of what was once Google now
the Google feed so it kind of comes and goes and certainly Google has done is
shaped the ideas from Apple and it’s just kind of par for the course I think
any implication being though that basically everybody wins rising tide of
innovation wherever it comes from is going to lift theoretically all of these
devices and the operating systems that we use in the same way so that
eventually it would it be possible do you think to you know eventually do
we’ve talking earlier about moving from Android or from iOS to Android for a
month which you have to do every fall yeah you know will it be possible to be
able to make that kind of move as frictionless as possible at some point I
mean the inherent difficulty with Android is that you know Google makes
Android 10 yeah but it doesn’t get on any phones for you know with the
exception of their own phones and a handful of others is getting better but
it takes about so you Apple makes iOS 13 and you can buy seven
or eight different models of phone that have it they all get updated at the same
time and Apple makes the version of iOS each year it starts with its newest
phone and it kind of goes down in a tree mm-hmm Google on the other hand has to
make Android to have features that they know manufacturers are going to either
use or not use tweaked to their liking so they’re not making Google isn’t
making Android 10 with the Galaxy S 10 plus in mind yeah they’re making it with
the pixel online maybe I don’t even know if that’s true they’re trying to make a
operating system that can fit all different flavors all different sizes
all different types of phones so when people say like you know it doesn’t
become a thing until Apple does it the it’s not necessarily the apples doing
something better or more innovative they haven’t built a control just of all
these devices that are going to use it so it becomes mainstream almost
immediately because adoption rate is high yep iOS I mean they’re getting it
to the phones the vast majority of iPhone users will be on iOS 13 within a
couple of months but that’s because Apple pushes a tooth wall right and they
do push it the Google pushes out Android they give developers half a year you
know to get it ready and they don’t you know Samsung’s not that’s not that
priority mm-hmm Samsung wants to sell phones and the people who buy Samsung
phones aren’t necessarily concerned about what version of Android they’re on
it’s a difference a different thing so Apple pushes out their features knowing
okay this phone’s gonna get this feature and we’re gonna go up the line the newer
phones get you know more of them and then they trickle down maybe and you
know things come and go this phone becomes obsolete but they’re able to
target their audience and their phones so much better than Google is with
Android and in that’s not going I don’t just gonna say I don’t see that ever
changing I mean it just seems like it’s gonna be a perpetual problem in Junior
God knows you’ve written about this so many exactly the whole issue with the
you know fragmentation which is not googles well it’s not really Google’s
fault it’s just given in horrible that’s how Android is basically designed yeah
right it’s designed to be so broad and I mean you know
even though there have been efforts Google’s obviously many efforts to try
to you know push these things out faster to get the the phone manufacturers to
roll them out but clearly if you want you know true Android and you’re looking
at a pixel right yeah I mean there are a couple of other smaller options oneplus
does a pretty decent job essential does a really good job but they only have one
phone that’s a couple of years old so no one quite knows what they’re up to but
yeah when you if you want to get the closest thing to an apples to apples so
to speak comparison you have to look at the pixel phone not at Android as a
whole because that’s the one where Google really controls everything it
does the hardware does the software and the pixel phone gets updates you know
the day they’re released or within a few days of of it at least and even with the
pixels I mean there have been class-action lawsuits with every single
phone so because Google isn’t just designing for the pixel afonya is not
designing for this whole umbrella of phones and things break here things work
here and you know it’s a trickier thing than Apple who controls the entire stack
yeah which which I really like I mean and then it goes back to that you know
again this is not quite innovation but it’s the idea of with Apple you’ve got
the you know the walled garden it’s a lovely garden it’s lots of things
in the garden but when you’re outside the garden you’ve got so much more
flexibility and you can do so much more with Android than you can ever do with
Apple because it’s so locked down until Apple says ok you can do this now like
you know for example document I’m surprised we have it and I was 13 I
figured that’d be something that they wouldn’t can wait they wouldn’t
necessarily look at for a couple more years with the OLED screens though that
are in the you know the iPhones I would think that a dork mode sure is it’s
gonna look here’s an example we don’t have we have OLED finally got it to the
watch yeah finally got it to the watch so it’s so they’re making those those
low-power displays but that’s not a priority for Apple Android I’ve had them
for I don’t know five years well that’s something to where you could argue I
think pretty reasonably that that sort of open model of having all those
different companies contributing to it pushes things focus move drives
innovation because it’s not just Google that’s Android is its Samsung its HTC
yes a little bit LG Motorola all the different companies so they’re all
trying to one-up each other with an Android in addition to competing with
Apple and so you know Samsung will come out with some crazy new feature I mean
you know maybe 50% of em are are silly but the 50% of them end up
being useful and then a year or two later that shows up with an Android
itself and makes its way to the pixel into whatever other number of phones and
then you have to remember to with Android that it really is just a
different scenario in that water in the way no I’m just worried you’re gonna
knock it over I go yeah could you talk with your hands carry on yeah so Android
isn’t just Android the operating system there are a lot of different pieces to
the puzzle where they’ve really over the years pulled pieces out and made it more
modular so you know things that in an apple and you were getting as part of
iOS even just the browser the mail app the Maps app but then even under the
hood Google has something like Google Play services which controls a lot of
the functions on your phone a lot of the security related mechanisms and those
pieces are all updated multiple times a month
everybody gets them at the same time through the Play Store so it isn’t quite
a parallel comparison to talk about just the operating systems because Android
really the operating system is kind of just one that we can get technical about
it there’s like the open source code and all that but for practical terms Android
itself the operating system is just one part of what really Android represents
to most users good point yeah when you’re talking about features you know
let’s go back to dock mode Samsung brought that out last year with one UI
mm-hm and it was great I mean really it’s it’s it’s probably the best
implementation on Android right now including the pixel I mean it’s a really
nice version of it and that’s a perfect example of you know listen I don’t it
was around Samsung didn’t innovate it didn’t poeta them I don’t know what they
did it right they did it right into him you know Ghul I’m sure looked at that
and said all right well let’s quit screen was the same kind of thing Sam
did that for years energy a quick reminder real quick for people who are
watching us live we’re talking about innovation iOS versus Android who does
it better what does it mean for users and ok back to where we were
let’s think about you know what’s coming you know where where both of these
companies are likely to be innovating say over the next few years I mean I
know obviously 5g you know that but that’s not really innovation AI machine
learning arv are do we have any thoughts about you know what’s more more on
computational photography I mean all of that stuff when you look at the iPhone
even Apple went as it does from zero to 60 in the blink of an eye in terms of
night mode which is fabulous computational fatigues still wonder if
they’re just catching up you know we don’t know yet what’s coming out and
call it catching up but I mean I mean I’ve been testing this stuff okay you
know the pixel for I’m sure will once again leapfrog that but right now
Apple’s iPhone 11 night mode is the best or one of the best in the business
Wow way does a great job – yeah and you know Google started that was like what
is going on here and you know Apple obviously was working on something you
know they didn’t just start like oh what now we have to do this yeah these are
all know everything overlaps it’s a matter of who brings it out first the
difference between Apple and gold the biggest difference in Apple or iOS and
Android or however you want to say it Apple doesn’t iterate in public ever no
they will not release something unless it is rocks out or you know a few
exceptions well about that Apple Maps when it first came out there are yes but
for the most part they won’t release something until they feel it’s up to
their standards to be released whereas Google well say all right we have a germ
of an idea yep let’s put it and throw it out there and start seeing when people
will build that it will build on it will improve it and you know maybe it’s beta
maybe it’s not but we’re going to put it out there and see where it goes maybe it
goes nowhere maybe it turns into the greatest thing we’ve ever done Apple did
they’re never going to do that yeah it is a difference in their DNA
just approach things I think you probably argue with it either
both sides have their pros and cons sure the Google stuff can certainly get
frustrating because you get something that’s kind of unfinished and then or
you get something that you love and then two years later it’s discontinuous it’s
gone before you know it yeah but you do get to kind of see and in to some degree
shape the the way products progress over time I mean certainly they listen to the
feedback on the hole not that any one person has a whole lot of say but it’s
it’s an interesting thing to be a part of it it can also be a frustrating thing
I think part of it depends on and again if you’re just watching just tuning in
we’re talking about innovation iOS vs. Android you know who does it better
I mean basically the answer is they both do it well
over time and in any given year what I was gonna say is you know if you’re if
you’re fixated on being first with something a gesture computational
photography night mode dark mode whatever you know you’re there gonna be
times when whoever your favorite manufacturer is is not first idea but
the point is everybody over time will start to see these things trickle out in
different you know different devices different parts of software and on the
other hand if your manufacturer trying to be first you’re going to run into
media probably saw it with the Galaxy fold this year Samsung was de hell-bent
on beating everyone to the market with a folding phone and it was a disaster why
why would a company it’s not see that coming I mean when they were talking
about it we were all talking like this doesn’t look like it’s gonna be obvious
to everyone now I mean that and that’s where innovation innovation can get get
you in trouble yeah it’s so caught up in trying to be first that you blow it and
I think I mean yeah you can say they blew it however well in five years when
folding phones are a thing yeah if they’re a thing Sam’s I can sing I can
dance first which is what they do with the note still yeah they have a thing
that before they reduced a new note and we were the first with the big screen
the first would does anybody care Samsung likes to do that yes their thing
but four or five years later does anybody really care no they care but who
did it best and who’s doing it now right but Samsung love rights to do that yeah
well and I mean they do dominate the inbreed market they totally do it’s
anyone’s you could speculate as to exactly why but they were certainly
first at doing a lot of things they made up that market I’m not arguing that they
make great phones and no insane that they may you know bicep for the galaxy
for which you know they’ll come back around and there will be something
around the galaxy phone article saying the phone looks cool but I want the
third-generation well is if you look at Samsung’s phones that you do you wanna
name your device the fold I mean you know the connotations is not necessarily
good we should probably pause and see if
we’ve done any questions or comments from folks who may be looking at its
life yeah we’ve got some questions one one is a comment kind of going along
with what you were just talking about in its they say let’s be honest Apple
killing it with regards with how they manufacture the hardware and Android is
killing it with regards to how they manufacture their software I mean
there’s some truth can see some of that that’s actually we yeah go ahead
I mean apples hardware we were talking about it it’s top-notch but the galaxy
has tiny buds in the note 10 plus are also top-notch than one plus 70 really
nice phone I mean the there are comparisons on the Android side Android
10 is great but so is I who is 13 and you know you you can we can argue about
this all day what I said before as I’ll say it again the at what where Apple has
that benefit is controlling everything that’s why when you pick up an iPhone
the software flows into the hardware fluids you it’s it’s it’s tricky to get
that on an Android it can be done but it’s not universally you know if you’re
getting an Android device you’re not necessarily guaranteed what you know
getting getting that sort of what’s the word experience the connection the holy
soft winds you know nineties word synergy but I mean you know how the
software and hardware works together you know flowing seamlessly and that’s where
pixel kind of has I’ll just go further what you’re gonna get a very different
experience I live on a pixel phone versus a galaxy phone versus a huawei or
yeah okay so to that comment you know we would agree that you know both sides are
doing lots of things right if the pixel was a nice phone do you guys think it’s
fair to say to that Google is generally ahead in the realm of services and there
are exceptions it’s not like but I think it’s as a whole that’s fair and maybe I
think that match up there and I you know sometimes Apple does services well a lot
of times they don’t always work so well you know i yeah a family an apple that’s
the one place where Apple has fallen on its face very publicly
yeah but Maps is getting better iCloud is legitimately good now yeah and you
know they’re the event now they have the you know the Apple arcade was I guess
Google Play past was kind of there but got Apple arcade was the first to kind
of put it all together in a full thing TV plus like they’re they’re expanding
their services Apple pay is rock-solid so yeah while Google Apple has its thing
and Google’s strength is that it’s not just Android you can get
everywhere Apple is getting much better at understanding that the hardware is
nice the software is what matters Android is kind of caught up on hardware
because if you look at early Android phones compared to where the iPhone was
then it took a while for Android to start really having those that type of
noise and it seems like on the flip side Apple is catching up with maybe not
software on the hole but like with services and and kind of the bigger
picture of how they all fit together maybe Michelle other questions excuse me
someone’s asking about speed is one faster than the other a lot of people on
here saying iPhone is faster but is there a difference Michael I mean I’m
gonna say I’ve been using the iPhone 11 for two weeks now that has the a13
Bionic processor and it is I mean how fast do I really need to what I mean by
fast is it’s so optimized for this the iOS 13 is so optimized for the chip for
the hardware yeah that everything feels like it’s moving as fast as it possibly
can’t move it doesn’t have a 90 Hertz screen like some Android phones have and
it’s it’s it’s it’s a bit behind in that in you know in that vein there are
better Android techne there’s better Android technology yeah but the way
Apple uses its optimizations with the chip with this with with the iOS with
the latest version of iOS and you can see that on older phones too it’s not
just this one you don’t really get that with the even if you’re using a phone
with a snapdragon 855 plus the latest processor that’s out there you don’t get
that sense of speed that you get with the iPhone certainly not over time out
of the box yeah the oneplus 70 has the best present
in the world really nice operating system and it has 90 Hertz screen and it
feels superfast in six months down the line think that’s different
why is that because Apple keeps optimizing iOS as they go along
it’s a continual process yeah you agree it I think most phones have a tendency
to do you think iPhones slow down over time – if you talk to somebody who’s
using an a year-old device in my experience it takes a lot longer
for Apple to show their signs of wear than it does for Androids
like if III have a galaxy as nine and it’s like I’m pushing through like
sandpaper yeah whereas an iPhone ten still feels pretty good it still feels
pretty fast and pretty modern yeah and I just think it’s that attention to
optimization that happens and it’s also that they’re able to do because they
control again the whole stack you know I whole speed thing though to me reminds
me of the CPU Wars back in the 90s at some point you get to a point where it’s
diminishing returns and emic argument is you know you know you can run some speed
tests and get to a certain level but beyond that you’re almost beyond women
capabilities of what you need here’s a real-world thing that I noticed on this
phone I have and I only notice because I can’t add for an article I’m running
tomorrow okay I have 40 app screens in my recent apps screen yeah when I do my
thing I’m gonna pick so I’ll have about five okay Samsung twenty-something now
this only has four gigs Iran yep Samsung some of their forms have 12 pixel has
four as well and that’s what I what I mean when I’m talking about the way
Apple uses what what it can have is its its processor its RAM it’s its storage
and it maximizes everything about it yeah okay good point
Michelle others yeah we got one specific to iPhone somebody’s asking why does the
iPhone have only one only a single sim no I don’t know if this is true or not
but this is what they’re asking yeah well that’s not totally yeah there’s a
single Hardware spin sim and as a nice in option and overseas they do support I
think they dual said it wasn’t on the on the iPhone 10s when it came out it
didn’t support it immediately but I think it added it yeah but they do have
dual SIM phones one of them’s real ones working yeah
okay and another one here somebody’s asking about the future of
authentication going into both of them iOS and Android yeah if we knew that
we’d be waiting to do the Apple or Google right I gotta tell you so I like
face ID we’re talking things like that yeah but I assume that’s what they’re
talking so I use Android pretty much exclusively for 11 months out of the
year and with the exception of a couple the LG G 8 Huawei phones there
all fingerprint sensors in some way whether it’s in screen or on the back or
wherever it is and they’re good you know they’re fine
III had issues with the early in display fingerprint sensors have gotten better
they’re a little bit faster they’re not the best but they’re they’re fine well
when I switch to face ID it is like a revelation yeah really future tech can I
pick up my phone but if I don’t look at it the notifications are locked I’ll
pick it up they opened it up it’s I don’t know why Android manufacturer
they’ve had two years now Apple that was a real innovation face ID when true
depth camera was like whoa we’ve never seen this before you know phone when
that so that was the iPhone 10 that was two years ago and like I said the only
too many factors that have anything close or LG and Huawei and I don’t
understand why it’s clearly the future yeah it’s gotta be and it seems like the
pixel for y-yes nothing’s official pretty certain that it’s gonna have
supposedly use the whole project soli which is a radar based gesture detecting
system – in other ways since when you’re there and you could hold your phone in
any direction so that may be sort of the innovations and there’s gestures and
things and yeah right there’s a lot of talk about that we’ll see how you know
how it works for one right but the two is you know there’s a lot of things
about this that I’ve gotten better over the past to use for one the angle you
mean face like like I used to have to hold it exactly here now I can move over
here over here and it still works and like Apple puts the thought into alright
so how are people using this system and you know hopefully Google the Google for
you there’s a lot of rumors a lot of smoke there yeah that this project soli
is going to bring I hope to god because the pictures I’ve seen in that giant
dazzle it better be something there will be but I’m sure so yeah it looks like
that that could kick off the face ID type thing for the rest of the Android
line but we haven’t heard many rumors from Samsung Samsung is for all intents
and purposes the apple of Android one Samsung does it it becomes a thing and I
haven’t read any rumors that the Galaxy S 11 is gonna have yeah well it’ll be
interesting to see because there is the distinction as we’ve been talking about
between Android and and google / pixel and and yeah the whole project soli
radar thing is definite pixal google total property it’s not
something that it’s it’s not part of Android it is for Google’s phones and
for the purpose of selling Google but so is night mode and everyone kind of
quickly gone yeah maybe I would similar like spread out if once Google rolls it
out I will say in testing the oneplus 70 which just came out I’ve been pretty
impressed with the face and luck on that and it obviously doesn’t have any rate
the problem with that yeah I agree but it’s pretty fast against it is fast but
it’s not secure it’s using their camera so it’s a 2d image it doesn’t have the
hardware fast so if you have a good high quality image of you someone could
unlock your phone and most likely will it does work yeah so the difference is
Apple is 3d and it’s constantly learning and changing and everything else so it’s
it’s it’s it’s it’s more secure than a fingerprint right the oneplus is sort of
like a better version of their super old Ice Cream Sandwich era Android face
unlock kinda I mean it didn’t work well at that point but I had the same
security problems whereas supposedly what we’ll see in the pixel 4 will be
taking into that matrix stuff where it kind of takes a map of your whole face
and the contours clearly so it sounds like the future for that is gonna be
face ID of some sort both on both operating systems yeah and one more here
talking about security you just brought that up is iPhone more secure than
Android phones more secure yeah I wouldn’t say it’s more secure I think
it’s more private depending on the settings that you use yeah I mean
security you lock down your phone she’s pretty much locked right you know
whether you have to use a fingerprint sensor or face ID if you’re not there if
someone’s not you know it’s it’s I’m comfortable when I’m using an Android
phone that if I lose my phone if I leave it somewhere I’m not gonna I’m not gonna
to worry about it there’s a possibility for phishing or any kind of pushing on
any died certain degree it kind of falls upon you as a user to have best
practices and to know that you’re not gonna click on a link in an email that
you don’t see you know that or sign load an app that you don’t know right because
you know we’ve talked about this before and you’re right you know there’s a lot
of discussion that androids less secure but you know you’ve made the point
repeatedly that a lot of these things that are like insecurities and flaws are
not real were laws and they’re things that you
know would have to do like 12 things wrong before you might be vulnerable
they’re almost exclusively marketing campaigns conducted by companies that
sell you software – how that works so yeah it is a theoretical thing but it’s
very rare for there to be a real serious problem that has impacted any number of
people usually what my time it comes out has been addressed and the same thing
happens on iOS any any software has flaws and people find issues with it and
then those flaws get patched but yeah the the sensational stories about
malware and and the security threat or that one are very rarely of any
real-world consequence and almost always super easily mitigated just by what’s
already in your phone and the fact that you’re not download am smart about it
right you’re not downloading apps from a china based forum you know you’re
downloading apps from the place where do that yeah well you are you know I’ll
stop downloading other thing again to bring it all back to this is that
security updates Android pushes out once a month but whether when that reaches
your phone is the question mark right when Apple pushes out a security updater
on iOS update it pushes it out to everybody
yeah and same with OS updates cuz Android OS updates also have some
security and justice that’s another reason why there’s you could say that
the pixel is the more advisable option to use on androids yeah I was right if I
was getting an Android phone with you picture yeah and that’s why it’s low
that reason exactly and you’re right you’re going to get to September
security update in we’re in October now we’re gonna get the October security
update in October on a galaxy as 10 you might get it in late October you might
not get it all is the not get it at all part the most and that most a lot of
them are starting to guarantee security updates for a number of years Android
one is becoming more of a thing where people are looking at no no key is doing
an amazing job with that stuff where they guarantee two years of OS updates
and three years of security updates but you know you’re right it’s still an
issue yeah because manufacturers aren’t
concerned and most customers don’t know right because Samsung isn’t going to
promote that because it doesn’t help it’s in his interest I take it you know
I look at my parent my pair brother iPhones and my dad will call me
up and say oh what’s iOS 13.1 and I’ll explain it to him and he’ll download it
up and that’ll be bad but if he didn’t get that notification for six months he
wouldn’t be going yeah we know it’s there wouldn’t even notice
so three phones working so short answer for security is both of them are
relatively secure in their own different ways and if you’re really concerned
about continuous security updates you might be a little more leaning more
toward iOS but we’re pixel if we want to go and or pixel for Android any other
questions or comments before we wind out I think we can start yeah we’re gonna
wrap it up then okay so I think our longest talked about this is and worth
there be a bit of it um you know the point being with innovation that both
sides are continuing to innovate there will be this back and forth one year
somebody’s got something the other year the other ones got it and even talking
about gesture in the end well barely touched on they’ll get into this we
talked about it we did yeah we did all the whole thing on gestures yesterday I
have thoughts too well before I let you go real quick you gotta go 30 seconds 30
seconds okay fine I think that Android dropped the ball completely on gestures
they had for you know years before while the iPhone was stuck with its home
button yep until the iPhone 8 which was 2 years ago the Android had virtual
navigation they had it was a good method it was fine no one on that none of these
manufacturers and I include Glu Glu and that obviously they’d like none of them
said all right what’s the next step here yeah ran then tapping a virtual button
what can we do with this where can we go with this they could have been
developing systems for years now Google is saying oh well Apple did it Apple
dead and it’s a great system on but it works with this phone yeah so Apple or
Google is trying to take this and maybe may put their own stamp on it and it’s I
think it’s just it’s it’s clunky it’s messy and it could have been they could
have led the way rather than following ok I agree it was definitely a
reactionary yeah it feels like we took the idea gestures and kind of threw it
in instead of thinking about how it fits in we talked a lot yesterday and this
isn’t even an exact Apple borrowing but with the particularly with the back
gesture swiping in how that overlaps with so many
parts of Android that’s things already doing and it just awkwardly thrown in
and they say well let’s throw in a sensitivity settings which just makes it
more complicated right it seems like it was a rushed out we’ve got to do
something so hey let’s do this weird mashup in PI and then in Android 10
we’ll try to fight again and put something else on top of it and no it
was like just like what you said I think that could buy Android 12 or whatever
that gestures will be where they’re supposed to be for that ecosystem but
right now it feels like a cheap imitation okay there you have it so
that’s our final thought on innovation our final thought Michael thanks for
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