Should We All Ride Recumbent Bikes? | GCN Tech Show Ep.87


– Welcome to the GCN Tech show. – This week we’ve got
ourselves some new Fizik shoes, Harley-Davidsons for kids,
the Bike Vault, your upgrades plus we’re going to ask why
aren’t recumbents more popular? – Yeah, and snacks of the week. – What?
– Snacks of the week? – Trust me on this one,
Jon, it’s going to be good. Let’s get on with the show. – Lock and load! (upbeat technical music) – We’ll begin with our weekly
talking point, and Jon, what if I told you you could
go 50 kilometers an hour for just 200 watts on a very
particular kind of bike? Would you want to ride that bike? – Yeah, I mean I do actually
quite like e-bikes, Ollie. – Not an e-bike, a recumbent. – Recumbents, they’re really fast. – Well, you, I dunno,
you’re going to have to try and convince me pretty seriously. – I think you’d suit a recumbent but Hanks recent video on
recumbents got me thinking, if they’re so much faster, which they are, than regular bicycles, why
don’t more people ride them? I mean think of all the
Strava KOM’s you could get. – Well I know you love a
KOM so, talk me through it. I’m all ears. (upbeat music) – So, first up, we’ll look at
the advantages of recumbents and the biggest one is
that they’re faster. They create far less aerodynamic drag than a standard road bike
and a ball park figure you often hear is 30 percent less drag, and it can be even less if you cover them in an aerodynamic fairing
to make them even faster. (upbeat music) – They actually look
quite fun, don’t they, in a way because when you see someone actually hurtling along
in one, they, I mean it’s just that speed, really and they actually look quite comfy I guess because you’re laid back,
your feet are up, you know, you look like you’re in,
well almost going to sit down and watch the television for an evening. – Yeah like in a La‑Z‑Boy
chair like chilling out – A recliner (laughs)
an electric recliner. – They also make you smile. – Yeah. – I mean, proof of this,
right is Barney Hall who was the recumbent
expert in Hanks video, he knows a thing or two
about recumbents, right, and he said smile, well he certainly seems to think they make you smile. – A lot. – Guaranteed smiles, we
know with a big smile, you’ll be happy, you’ll get a way, and we’ll have you smiling and
riding by the end of the day. The secret is to smile, so
long as you’re enjoying it and smiling, you’ll manage this. – Okay I’m a big smiler. – Release the break, go, and smile. A big smile. – Are you ready to catch me? – Yes, smile! Smile!
– I’m smiling! Smile!
– I’m smiling! Crashing, crashing! – Well, you can’t argue with
Barney on that one, can you? Plus being nice and low
to the ground means that your center of gravity
is really, really good. You know, it gives you
a nice stable feeling, especially when you’re
going around a corner in a two-wheeled version. (upbeat music) – There are some disadvantages, right. – Oh yes there are (laughs). – And that’s probably why we
don’t all ride recumbents. So there’s loads of different types, there’s two-wheeled ones
like you just mentioned, but there’s also three-wheeled
ones, four-wheeled ones and you can have ones where
there’s two wheels at the front or two wheels at the back, and with all these
different wheel layouts, there are pros and cons. – Yeah, and unless you
have a two-wheeled ones, they’re not really that stable
around corners, are they? – Yeah, yeah and in general recumbents are a lot less maneuverable than a standard road bike is fair, to say. – I mean I’ve actually seen people on racing tricycles as well
as a tandem tricycle and when you watch them
try and go around a corner, it just doesn’t work. I mean there are motorbikes out there with two wheels on the
front, aren’t there, which you’re quite a big
fan of I’m lead to believe. (chuckling) – When you see them in
operation, actually, it does work quite well, but to put that technology,
sorry, onto a bicycle, the weight is going to really, really offset, I think, the performance. – Yeah, without that suspension system within a recumbent that’s a
tricycle or a four-wheeler, it’s very easy to tip them when going at speed around corners. – Seen it done. – Yeah, Hank nearly did it. (chuckling) – Plus, with the two wheeled ones, well you have a higher
chance of falling off of them because you always have to
maintain balance, don’t you? – People are going to
say that you have to do that on a regular bike. (comical music) – Yeah but it’s easier, it’s just easier. It’s a further distance to fall, I guarantee I’ve never
been on a recumbent bike– – You’re lower down, how
is it a further distance when you’re lower down? – Well, it’s right, it’s clumsy it’s just a clumsy contraption. – (laughs) Okay. You can leave that bit in. – Okay, right. They’re generally more expensive. – Yeah. – Than a standard road
bike as well and, well, they’re produced in smaller
numbers they’re less popular so I think you could say, to be fair, if they were mass produced you’d expect the cost to come down. – Yeah and now another
disadvantage has to be going uphill in them
because you can’t really go up hills that easily on them because you can’t actually
have any surges of power because you can’t get out of the saddle, let’s face it, ’cause you’re laying down. There’s another one then, do you get really bad saddle sores? – Back sores? – Yeah ’cause you can’t
relieve yourself in any way, can you, if you like prop
yourself out of the chair or seat, what’s going to happen? – Yeah, yeah.
– Dunno. – That’s a good point, I dunno. If you ride a recumbent, let us know. – Yeah. – Another disadvantage is
that when you’re riding– – There’s quite a few
isn’t there, okay carry on. – But another disadvantage
is you could feel quite vulnerable when riding one because you
are so low to the ground meaning that if there’s walls or hedges on the side of the road
they can obscure you and you can be hidden from
other road users by them, whereas if you were on a regular bike, you could still be seen. You do see recumbent
users often putting poles with flags out the top that sit quite high to help make them more
visible but it is you know, something that could be
seen as a disadvantage. – Yeah, it’s quite sad really isn’t it that we have to actually
touch on that point as it being a disadvantage because
they’re not in the eye line, but well, there we go. But another disadvantage then, okay, is you can get ones with an
aerodynamic fairing in them. – I want one of those ones. – Yeah, the ones we’ve
already spoken about, look super cool, super futuristic I guess, although they’ve been around
since I think the 70’s or even before, even those faired ones, but you get very, very hot in those because obviously they
don’t have great air intake going into them because
then that’s going to act almost like a sail isn’t it, stopping you. And they’re pretty fragile, too, I think, they resemble almost an eggshell. – Yeah, quite difficult
to get in and out of in a hurry, as well. – Yeah, yeah not the easiest things. – I think recumbents are
fascinating bits of tech, though and I would love to have a go in one, particularly one of the aerodynamic ones and maybe do some tests
to see how fast they go compared to other bikes
and things like that. – They are an absolute feat
of engineering I have to say. It’s like a molten bike,
you know, there’s so many different tubes and everything like that, you wouldn’t know where to start if it came to building one. – Yeah and I think also
it’s quite exciting, we’re seeing a few
recumbents with e-bike motors built into them as well now and so that kind of takes
away the disadvantage we spoke about which was
getting harder to ride up hills, you know, meaning that, well, even more reason to perhaps ride one. – Yeah, I’ve even seen
a guy on an e-bike one, and it was an off-road version too and he was absolutely
flying along some tracks and I though that looked
like some serious fun. That looked like a, what, a
lay down go-kart, basically. So, I’m pretty keen to see you, Ollie, take this on yourself. So if you want to see Ollie,
you know, battle it out there with a recumbent, let us know in the comments section down below. – Yeah, if you’d like to
see some recumbent content, let us know what you’d like to see. And if you think recumbents
should be more popular, then, well, let us know what you think in the comments down below as well. – An most of all, smile! – Smile, smile!
– I’m smiling! – Smile!
– I’m smiling! – Our friends over at Fizik
have launched a new pair of shoes and they’ve taken
their fastening technology from the Powerstrap R1
shoes over to these. These ones are designed specifically for the discipline of gravel riding. – Yeah the Powerstrap
X4 is, well, essentially a gravel-modified version of those R1’s, so you’ve got a chunkier sole on it and a bit more of a robust
toe area so that you don’t damage the shoes and the new color way. And they’ve got a zig-zag
strap on there as well, with two Velcro straps which means you can tailor the fit nicely
to adjust to your preferences and I’ve got the road version,
the R1 that Jon mentioned and yeah I really like it, I’ve
been riding it all the time. – Yeah I’m a big fan of Velcro actually. I recon for something like this
when you’re riding off-road, it’s quite a big benefit because if you’re riding
through some scrub or bushes, which you tend to do, then
you’re not going to get any boas or anything like that
caught and well risk failure. – Yeah, nice and simple. – Yeah, nice color too. – More hot tech now. Now Jon, I know that you’ve always dreamed of wearing some leather
trousers, a leather waistcoat, growing a handle bar mustache, and riding a Harley-Davidson. – How’d you know all these things? Although, the bit about
the Harley-Davidson isn’t necessarily true,
but the rest sounds right up my street. – Well, now you can get a Harley-Davidson ’cause they’ve brought out a new range of electric balance
bikes, check these out! – [Jon] Not really sure
I need a balance bike, but they look pretty good, don’t they? They’re only available in kids sizes though, sadly, so, uh, too late for us. – Yeah I know but check
out those kids, I mean they look totally badass, don’t they? – Wouldn’t want to mess with them. – No, the kids of anarchy. (crunch) – Snacks of the week now. – Snacks of the what? Since when has that been a thing? – It’s a new feature Jon,
I’ve just invented it. A fan of the show, Lineke Purvey,
he’s from the Netherlands, has kindly sent us in some
stroopwaffles, your favorite! – D’you know, I’ve got very
fond memories post-Kermesse in Belgium having some
stroopwaffles or rice tarts, these days though, I got to say actually, a rice tart is probably
my preferred choice. Oh look, they’re individually packaged. Thank you very much Lineke. – Yeah, that’s a great
idea, that’s ingenious. Hopefully, we’ll get sent
snacks each week now, brilliant. – We’ve had things sent to us in the past, actually, haven’t we? A friend of the show, I
dunno if actually we can call him a friend of the show, Markham McDermott sent some rather, rather interesting things through
the post to us before. We’ve had beer as well,
that was quite nice. Yeah, however, alongside all of this, we have actually been
scouring the internet trying to find more tech, but well, there’s not very much of
it, is there, let’s face it because there’s a big
event coming up next week, isn’t there, and we’re going. What’re we going to? – EUROBIKE.
– Oh yes. – The worlds biggest bike
show and, well, exhibition. – It is absolutely massive, isn’t it. – Everyone seems to be
holding out on their tech until next week. – Yeah, I’m looking forward
to that, I really am. – It’s going to be great, um,
so we’re going to be there, making content and you’re going
to pack your leather trousers. – Yeah, I am, I can’t wait to put them. This year, though, I am going
to remember the Talcum powder and while Ollie’s looking forward to getting stuck into a sausage or two. (drilling) – It’s time now for screw
riding upgrades, buy upgrades, where you submit evidence of the upgrades that you’ve made to
your bikes or equipment in order to win the ultimate prize, the GCN Camelback Eddy waterbottle. – Oh, yes. Yours of course, will not
come complete with water. – And your saliva. – No. Right first up then, let’s
name the winner from last week, weights between Victor and Amber. – From Maryland. – Yeah, very important actually that. Now winning with 72%
of the votes was Amber and that, well, meat-inspired paint work. – Meaty!
– Yes. And we’ve got a special
prize actually, haven’t we? – Yes, Amber, we’ve got
you some Maryland cookies. Or Mary-land cookies, as we call them. – Loads of people actually were asking in the comment section,
you know, things like I’ve never heard of them, what are they? Well, there you are.
– They’re cookies. – They come in different
flavors though don’t they? – Burton’s Food Limited, I’m
seeing where they’re made. – Burton, I reckon. – I think they’re made in Birmingham. – Okay so nowhere near Maryland. – Not Birmingham, Alabama, the real one. – Yeah, sweet home Alabama. Okay, right, this week, let’s
crack on with the first one. We got Joseph from
Hertfordshire in the UK, that’s a place I used to
cycle my little legs around when I lived in London,
worked there as well. Anyway, after watching the
cheap bike, super bike series Joseph decided what he really
wanted was a custom paint job. Yeah, Joseph my paint spraying wasn’t really up to scratch, was it? I’m looking forward to
where this is going. Anyway, the paint on Josephs
Cannondale was looking particularly grimy after
a winter of riding. Covered in chips and scratches,
he wanted the feeling of riding a pristine new bike. Using some Spray.Bike paint
and stickers from eBay, Joseph went to work (hisses) We can do that, can’t we? – Yeah.
– Do it. (hissing) – There we are. After a lot of sanding and
some nice weather for painting, this is the result. Right, so here we are
first up, there’s the old, that’s like the old leaky gas, isn’t it? – Yeah I used to have one like that, not that paint scheme, but yeah. – Yeah. There it is, sanded down and primed. – I hope he’s removed his
dork disc off the back. – Oh yeah, look at that
on the previous one. Okay, there it is painted, little butterfly on the head tube. – Dork disc removed! – Oh, good work. And that’s an old Cannodale
logo as well, isn’t it? – It looks like he’s made that logo and stenciled it and stuck it on. – Yeah, don’t know, I quite
like the detailing as well. The cables, those Jagwire cables, braided. – The butterfly logo
thing he’s put on there. – And also this sort of pinky things. – Some nice, yeah,
personal touches on there. – No, I like what Joseph has done, Joseph’s sort of hidden it
in amongst the shrubbery of his back garden. – Among the shrubbery! That’s a Monty Python reference. – Okay, didn’t get it. (laughs) These things are lost on me. I only live in a certain era. – And it’s not Monty
Python and the Holy Grail. – No, no. I live in a very weird bubble. You live in a weirder one. All right, anyway, I mean I like what he’s done with that bike. I quite like the abstractness
of those little squares. – Yeah. – He’s not doing it for Ollie, I can tell. – I mean he’s, I like it, but let’s see what he’s up against. – Okay well you can, who’s your contender? – Yeah, okay, so he’s up against Aubrey from Montreal in Quebec, Canada and Audrey decided to give the bike a full makeover, all right. Firstly, by getting some nice Campagnolo Bora one 50 wheels and they’ve changed the
decals on those wheels with a softer pink and they
repainted the bike as well. So check this out, right,
I mean there’s other things going on there, we’ve
swapped the chain out for a gold chain but you’ve
got that sort of Scott is that Scott Speedster? – Uh, no, it’s not, it’s a CR1. It’s a Scott CR1, yeah. – Oh, they were so light, do you remember when they came out? – Yeah – Yeah, that was like the
first mega-light carbon bike. – Really established Scott
as a lightweight bike brand. – I like that without the paint on. – With the paint off it,
you can see the lay up, that’s really cool isn’t it? – Looks like Audrey is
something of a cabinet maker or something, just look
at that background. – I know, that is a lot. – That old Coca-Cola thing
just there above the top tube. Send that in my way, I like that. All right, there we are, sanded down. Obviously a bit of masking going on there on the inside of the forks. – I mean it’s definitely
cabinets being made there. – That’s a big old sanding
machine there as well, isn’t it? – Yes. (mumbling) – Look at that paint. – Oh, glittery! Oh, wow, Audrey, Audrey! We’ve got ourself a very
nice looking bike there. – Very smart, those Boras are
cool as well, aren’t they? – The gold chain. Pink speed plates. – Matched with a pink bar
tape on there as well. A new saddle, that’s really nice isn’t it? Pink speed plates, oh what a detail. – Yeah, spoiling us
this week, aren’t they? – I think that’s a great upgrade selection and that’s a worthy Bike Vault
submission photo as well, he’s been taking notes, clean background, valves in the right position. – Slightly, however–
– Biggie Smalls, gold chain. – Well, it’s a bit over
exposed on the front wheel Campagnolo logo.
– Yes, a little bit. – Yeah, just a little bit, a tad. – We were, uh, I’ve been getting messages from people telling me that gold chains are out of stock throughout the world – Is that right?
– Yeah. – Thank us, thank us. – I knew it was a great,
was idea doing that insider trading deal and
buying shares in gold chains. – Yeah, KMC.
– Great, nice. – Oh, yes. Anyway, right, enough of all this, you need to vote top right hand corner and we will announce the winner and, well, there’s no cookies up for
grabs next week, is there? – No. – No. – Bike Vault time now
where you submit pictures of your bikes and we
judge them to be either nice or super nice, and
if they’re super nice then they get submitted
into the Bike Vault. – Oh yeah, so if you don’t
know how to get them in, or well try and get them,
into that Bike Vault make sure you use the uploader tool found in the description below, and who knows, maybe you’ll be able to break in. Now Ollie, this week mate
I’ve got a couple of options for you to ring, so I’ve
got the bell, your favorite, and I’ve also got the part
tool headset cup remover, or also press fit bottom bracket remover that sounds a bit like a tuning fork. (bell chimes) – Cool. – Yeah, which one would you like to ring? – None. – Okay fine, brilliant, as standard. Right, go on then Ollie,
start us off this week with the first submission mate. – First up we have Cedric from Loas. – Oh, nice. – [Ollie] Is it louse or layoss? – [Jon] D’you know what,
I’ve always, I think I’d probably say layoss
but lousse, layoss? Dunno. – Let us know in the
comments section below. – Yeah like phonetically
spell it out for us. Is it L A Y -oss, layoss, or is it– – I’ve not been but it
looks lovely, anyway. – The vantage is out there, we can actually look first hand. – We can, he’s got his
ALAN Super Cross Scandium it’s like the cross-gravel bike. I tell you what Jon,
since we did that video on how to get into the Bike Vault, the standard has improved, hasn’t it? – It’s risen, it’s really improved. – I mean, people are listening. I mean, look at that. – [Jon] That looks so good. – [Ollie] In this case, there’s
a bit of dirt on the bike but this is one example
when dirt is allowed because it’s befitting of
a gravel adventure bike and it’s in it’s natural habitat. – [Jon] That’s so good. Is that like a river running
through it or a stream? – [Ollie] Yes, I think that is. – [Jon] And also, the
color scheme of that bike reminds me of the old
ALANs anodised and they had aluminum lugs that weren’t,
you know, they weren’t painted. Yeah, uh, I really, that makes me want to go for a ride
and just enjoy myself. – Yes, it makes me want
to watch Apocalypse Now. – Okay. – But it looks great, I think that’s, I really like that bike,
I think that’s mint. Yeah that’s a super nice, mate. – Which one shall I, which one? – Take your pick. – Okay. (bell chimes) – Super nice! – People right now, ears rattling. Right. – Dogs going mental. (laughing) – D’you know I’ve got
a dog whistle at home, I love to annoy my dog. No, I don’t really. Now, next up is Mark from
China Beach which overlooks that Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. It’s an S-Works Tarmac Disc Di2, hand built Boyd wheels,
lovely looking bike, isn’t it? – [Ollie] Well, I mean
textbook this, isn’t it? He’s not watched the video. He’s not cleaned his chain,
it’s not Biggie Smalls, he’s not aligned his wheel valves. He’s got the light on the back, you could’ve just taken that
light off, light off the front. – It’s not even dark, he
doesn’t need lights on. – [Jon] Safety first, come on mate. No, it’s close, it is close, but no cigar. – Yeah, nice. – Yeah, nice bike. Right, next up. – Next up, we’ve got John
from Winter Haven in Florida, the Sunshine State, and he’s
got his 2017 Cannondale CAAD12 which is precariously
left on a railway track. – We don’t advise that, do we? – No we don’t that’s irresponsible I mean that could
potentially derail the train. – Naughty. – Killing thousands of people
and creating a major incident. – [Jon] Yeah. I think for that reason alone, nice. – Oh right, okay. – Irresponsible behavior. – Irresponsible. – We don’t condone that. Next up is Jacob in Cadouin in France. – Yes, now Jacob has his
beautiful S-Works ViAS Disc he also has extremely long
legs by the looks of things. – [Jon] Crumbs, look
how high that saddle is. – [Ollie] A lot of
seatpost going on there. – [Jon] Look at that bar to
saddle drop is monstrous. – Seriously aero. But that is a stunning
paint job, isn’t it? – [Ollie] That like gold
S-Works logo is amazing. I love the carbon chain
ring, they’re really bling, and he’s got his his
ceramic speed on there. – [Jon] An oversized Poly Wheel system. – [Ollie] I mean it’s seriously
bling and it’s a nice photo. – [Jon] A gold chain
and bolts, we’ve got– – [Ollie] and he’s got a
black chain, that’s KMC black. – [Jon] Is it? – [Ollie] Yeah. – [Jon] The DLC’s, yeah the
logo, the tires, biggie smalls. He’s got some fancy bar end
plugs as well, hasn’t he? – [Jon] Super caz, d’you reckon? – [Ollie] Yeah. – Super caz, super caz? – I think that’s a super nice. – I don’t, is that a wall? – Yeah, it is a wall, isn’t it. – Yeah. – That looks good, I’m just worried that, that position, you’re
going to do yourself some damage. – Well mate he’s probably had
a bike yeah, he’s probably– – Okay, okay. – All right I’ll give it a
ring with this one, yeah? (bell rings) – Super nice! Right, last one? – Uh, yep, last up we have Guy, or he’s from Vancouver
International Airport, maybe his name is Gee. – Or Jee. – Well yeah, ’cause if
he’s French Canadian, I mean I know Vancouver is in BC but, Gee. – Who knows. – Anyway Guy, or Gee, has submitted his, oh stunning, Sikorsky 76-3 air ambulance. Blimey. [Ollie] Wowsers, max speed for this baby. – [Jon] Yep. – 287 kilometers per hour, that 155 knots in
helicopter nautical speed. – Correct. – Max gross take-off
weight 5300 kilograms. – Not a light weight. – Heavy lifter, heavy lifter this one. – Oh, yes! – It’s got a good range as
well, three hours flight time, about 500 kilometers, decent. – That’s not bad at all, is it. – Also can be fitted with
the various optical packages including night and sun vision goggles. You’ve got wide stripe
protection in the rotor blades air conditioning, medical
oxygen, vacuum and air pumps as well, it’s getting those
patients alive in times of need. – Fully. – It’s operated by the BC Helijet air ambulance system there, brilliant. – Well, there is only one
thing to say isn’t there? – Yeah and that is a super nice chopper. – Oh I do love a chopper! (bell rings) More Bike Vault next week! – It’s nearly time to end the show, but we’re going to read out
some comments from last week. – Yeah and then we’ve got a
very, uh, interesting viewers, let’s just say, haven’t we? ‘Cause they tend to notice
all of the strangest little things throughout the week. First up actually is a comment
from Clint Nieves who says This week on the GCN Tech show we have a clean shaven doctor
Ollie with bling hair job. Super Nice. Now you did, you were clean
shaven last week I have to say but your hair, it was just
wind swept, wasn’t it? – I dunno, I’ve never had
a bling hair job before. – Well according to Clint, you have now. – Well, thanks Clint. – He obviously knows a thing
or two about hairdressing. – Certainly does. – James Carl Photography,
he’s obviously a photography – Expert. – Yes, saying Ollie is
starting to sound like Mike Myers character Dieter from Saturday Night Live,
uh, on the skit Sprockets. I’m not familiar with that
particular Mike Myers character. – Not a clue but Sprockets– – I’m going to have to look it up. – Sprockets, cycling,
dunno, probably something. – Ed Jack, did Ollie shave his eyebrows to complete the aero look? – I did, and I’ve stuck
them back on for this week. – I can categorically say Ollie did not shave off his eyebrows last
week, or this week, or ever. Have you ever done it? – No. – No? Remember I told you about
that bloke who said he had that razor and he shaved
them off by mis, yeah anyway. All right (laughs). – Well, adamweb says
you guys are hilarious! Can we get a dedicated
Jon and Ollie channel? – You’re watching it? Well it’s not really
dedicated to us though, is it? No. But yeah, no, no, no. Straight Edge, I’ve always
thought that the Jollie combo, that’s us, that is so bad,
actually we’ll run with that, on GCN Tech show was the best, and the more they do
together, the better it gets. Also Ollie’s accents are killer, I was laughing in tears
at his German accent during the SRUGBE riding
upgrades, bi-upgrade, segment. Proper good that was! 12 out of 10. Well, Straight Edge, you
better stop commenting about his accents, they’re really– – Danke. Danke Straight Edge. – Actually, next week in
EUROBIKE, you’ll be able to, (laughing) oh no, oh no! – Just in case you’re wondering yet, EUROBIKE actually takes place in Friedrichshafen in Deutschland. – I’m dreading this, I’m
absolutely dreading it. Okay, go on then. – Ah I can’t wait now. Rich Fi said every day
is a, is an Ollie Day, because my name begins with a vowel, when Ollie joins Jon on GCN Tech, cue Madonna in the background. – Holiday, holiday, celebrate– – Holiday, ah yeah. – Yeah.
– Oh I get it. – We’ll probably get a content strike now because that was so realistic to Madonna. – Every day is Ollie day. And finally Mitch Smith,
Abbott and Costello, GCN Tech edition. I’ve no idea. Russ Abbott,
Elvis Costello, I don’t know. – I dunno who that is. – I don’t know. – Anyway, we love going
through the comments don’t we because they’re so obscure and abstract. – I think we get the best
comments on our show. – D’you reckon?
– Yeah. – You’ve started a war now, haven’t you? – Yeah, we have. But I think there are some good ones. – Yeah anyway do– – They make us laugh. – Yeah, yeah, and some make us cringe. Do remember though to
stay tuned to the channel ’cause we’ve got heaps more great content coming up, haven’t we? – Yeah, loads of stuff,
your gravel bike things progressing really well. – Well, yeah, it’s finished
now, well actually I’ve got a couple of finishing touches to put on it and, yeah, that was a
trip down memory lane, let’s say, doing that one. You’re going to go out
riding in it, I reckon. – All right mate. – Well, I’ve not told you about that yet. – Uh, probably doing
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100 thoughts on “Should We All Ride Recumbent Bikes? | GCN Tech Show Ep.87

  1. The reason why I prefer a road bike over a recumbent is because I like rear-wheel drive …. but I love the Velomobil!

  2. Should we all ride recumbent bikes ?
    Yes if you want to go fast.
    Yes if you want to ride without saddle sore.
    No if you want to ride really off-road, better get a mountain bike.
    No if you want to join a UCI rule race, you're not allowed to race with a recumbent, better get a diamond frame.
    Yes if you want to ride/ commute long distances.

    As you can see, there's a bike for everybody to enjoy.

    The question should be: Should we ride ?
    ( and the answer is YES ! )

  3. there is one true statement: on recumbent the "ventilation" might be too low, even unfaired ones have the issue.

    Speaking about "visibility": high racer is very close to "regular". People don't like such bikes because of the drag.. In group you need to ride realllllllyyy close to benefit of it. With low racers.. sorry. It is useless in the group 😛
    The biggest disadvantage is the bike weight. It makes the difference.
    What is the worse, for recumbent, these are not allowed in several events. Some people think that these runs on nothing. I cannot gainsay that it doesn't look so.. but what about TT ("silent scream", "pure watts", etc)?

  4. In currently on a lowracer bike tour through the Balkans. I did a similar tour last year on my upright bike and I can only recommend the recumbent. I'm doing 200 km a day with a 30 k/h average speed. When I get off the bike I feel absolutely fine compared to last year were I had a sore bum and couldn't undo my zippers because my hands were so num. I think the greatest benefit might be improved handling compared to a road bike. I can do 95 k/h downhill on a road that isn't great and feel very safe.
    Greetings from Kosovo, 1000k in 2500 to go.

  5. Well, you guys had me hooked on your last segment and lost me as a viewer and follower on this one. Lots of misinformation in this segment too many to address them all. Maybe if you have the chance to go to SPEZI AND if you ask really nice the gentlemen from Ice Trikes in Falmouth, Cornwall can correctly explain no-steer braking, center of gravity and the address the other misinformation you're spreading concerning recumbent trikes.

    Recumbents are expensive? Compared to what? Have you priced the new Cervelo, or Pinarrelo? If the UCI would adopt the recumbent as it clearly states on their website; support all forms of cycling, then maybe there would be more support and acceptance.

  6. John Williams @johnwil89033175 should be able to get you up to speed. Speed and comfort. Great combo. Set them straight John!

  7. check out www.cruzbike.com FRONT WHEEL DRIVE recumbent with full size wheels. No hand numbness, great visibility since you are sitting up, especially with mirrors on both sided of the handle bars. Does take some getting used to after riding a traditional bike for decades. Balance is clearly different and you need to use arms to counteract wheel steer when pedaling. Up hill pretty quick since in addition to the legs, one presses against the saddle and uses the arms to apply more force.

  8. some 'bent comments based on ~20 years of riding them.

    Can't get out of the seat for a sprint/climb… but you can push against it for more power, and you can't do that on an upwrong. They are generally slower up hills as heavier, if all else is equal (more frame and a heavier seat) but there again they're quicker down the other side, and without worrying about going over the bars if you hit the brakes, plus the lower centre of mass, technical descents are potentially a lot quicker, and that includes on trikes: you just need to learn to lean in to the bends for balance rather than steering.

    Seat-sore? Never had it, do lorry drivers get sore being in a comfy chair all day? Comfort is much better on a 'bent, a lot of it a nice supportive chair but also from no weight on the arms/wrists and no need to look up to see where I'm going while aero.

    Visibility is a red herring. Yes, they're lower, but are you immediately doomed on a road bike where the hedges are a bit higher of you're behind a van rather than a car? As we all know, the problem with not being seen is people not looking, and if they do look then something different gets extra respect (aka the "WTF? Factor"). Fed up of close passes? Far, far less common on a 'bent. The flag thing seems to be an affectation, a bit like one "needs" hi-viz to be seen… only you don't.

    Big downside for competitive riders is your chances of a local chain gang are low. And joining an upwrong Chain Gang you're slower up hills, quicker down and on the flats and folk can't draft you, so really not ideal. Chain Gangs work in part because the bikes are effectively the same.

    I prefer a Brom or a Moulton TSR round town, more manoeuvrable, can hop kerbs etc. Also much, much easier to manhandle.

    Don't think of a recumbent as a functional class of cycle. You get racers, tourers, freighters, urban etc. just like upwrongs, and you need something functionally matched to what you want. Turn up at a race on a tourer and you'll get left behind. Also note that, unlike upwrongs there are huge differences between two models designed for more or less the same thing. Road bikes are, at a given price point, pretty interchangeable, but you can't assume that for 'bents.

    My 'bent is for touring, where it's more comfortable, I can see where I'm going better, it's more comfortable, with the lowriders under me and between the wheels it carries luggage better, it's more comfortable, and there's no need for contrived trousers to make it… very comfortable.

    Most of the reaction against them is rationalisation of the fear, uncertainty and doubt about something different. But try them out and the smile thing turns out to be true.

  9. There are more conventional recumbent road Bike such as the Bacchetta Carbon Aero with 700 c wheels, https://www.bacchettabikes.com/bike/carbon-aero-3-0-700c/

  10. Recumbernt bikes: how to simultaneously be invisible and blind. Also how to get a stiff neck staring at own crotch. Hell no!
    If you need a kiddie bike flag to indicate your position, you don't belong on the road. Take it to the park or make it into a static bike for your living room.

  11. If these idiots were to give a review of air, it'd be: "You shouldn't breath air: 'cuz it's mostly NITROGEN! OH, NO!"

  12. Guys, Bud Abbott and Lou Costello. The best comedy team ever. Look them up on YouTube. Check out the "Who's on First" bit.

  13. Hi guys, great topic on recumbents. Little correction: no sores at all, absolute comfort. And yes, they do climb 😉 https://www.strava.com/activities/623809872

  14. As I am on the brink of finishing a 7200 km tour on my Challenge Chamsin recumbent, including hundreds of kilometers on forest paths and gravel roads, the Cormet de Roselend, Petit St. Bernard, Splügen Pass and over a thousand kilometers through Norway, I get the feeling these guys don't have a clue what they are talking about.

  15. Excellent show but I’m confused how the specialized got a super nice when the valves weren’t correctly positioned? I feel the lack of consistency makes this segment laughable, but not In a good way….

  16. I ride an ICE tadpole trike and have to pick you up on a couple of points. They do corner well if you have ridden one for a while and know how to lean in and 'feel' the movement of the wheels.

    Secondly they are completely visible on the road. Everyone stares at you, I mean REALLY, REALLY STARES – it's a bit like being in a zoo sometimes. Cars are very considerate, pass slowly and even indicate on passing.. I also ride a two wheeler diamond frame and feel much safer on the road on my tadpole trike – you just have to be sensible, be road aware and use a flag plus blinkies.

    Oh yeah, no bum ache, no back ache and a neck rest. Enjoy and smile because they are awesome touring and racing machines not just eccentric toys!! To critique something you have never ridden is just pants GCN.

  17. James is a great example in the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIsa0L5UNgs video. I loved the video. Not only because of the bikes but also because James did a killer job.
    Sincere with a touch of humour. Thanks again James and GCN!

    This video showed the opposite. Especially the guy on the left.
    GCN just needs more presenters with recumbent experience. So the presenters know what they are talking about.
    Like GCN is known and liked for.

  18. I think the e-harley run bike is ridiculous. Yes, I'm old on my porch with a stick shaking it at the local kids yelling "BAH!"

  19. Are you guys trolling your own video? Love the GCN channels, but you guys seriously need to put some time into riding a few recumbents before "reviewing" them (I didn't see the new Star Wars movie, but I think it has a lot of things wrong with it.). Try a fast trike (Have ICE fix you up with a couple of VTX's) or a nice fast two wheeler. I love both road bikes and recumbents and they both have advantages. And no, you don't get saddle sores on your back while riding a recumbent :0

  20. Recumbent content! Yes pleeeease! The Milan from Germany is the fastest one and is on the verge of mass production. It absolutely deserves Ollie's attention.

  21. I've been riding a recumbent trike and my only regret is, why didn't I do this MUCH MUCH sooner!!?? It really came into it's true maximum love when we added E-assist! Please keep in mind I'm disabled. So for me this is the only way I am able to keep riding.

  22. I have an Orbea upright road bike and a Bacchetta 2-wheeled recumbent. I like them both. With the Orbea I like group rides, pacelining, riding in a pack and drafting – essentially pretending that us old farts are in a UCI road race. With the Baccchetta I usually ride by myself around the many bike paths in my area – its not very good for going up hills but it is a ton of fun. I don't know why narrow minded "upright" riders like to criticize recumbent riders and vice versa. Ride what you want to ride and have fun doing it.

  23. Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were American comedians on stage and screen: https://www.bing.com/search?q=about+and+costello+who%27s+on+first&qs=SC&pq=abbut+and+coste&sk=SC1&sc=8-15&cvid=2334B0AD046A41748DC1A55BCDB4B300&FORM=QBLHVN&sp=2

  24. Ok you two dopes obviously NEVER tried riding a 2 wheel bent. Not everyone can ride a df like you superior riders, but they do allow people who can’t df’s the opportunity to ride again. First of all recumbents and trikes are very different. I love riding with df riders and dropping them at will. I also love watching df riders wince in pain in their ass, back and hands. And just so you know, you don’t get saddle sores lying back. Quite the opposite. I finished a 171 mile ride averaging 18.6 and when I finished I had ZERO pain anywhere. You asked “why” more people don’t ride recumbents? Probably because most of you df riders are afraid to be different from your fellow df riders and would feel like an outcast if you deviated from your group think. Yes climbing is an issue but Cruz Bike has greatly improved this. There are several hi-racers that allow you to ride compatible with df riders. Cyclists are like any other group of athletes. They follow the pack. I like to ride a good df but prefer a bent when distance is required. Do a better test of the top recumbents and maybe you will learn something. #renegaderecumbent

  25. When it comes to recumbents UCI and GCN don't know what the hell there talking about. UCI dosen't allow recumbent racing and GCN host should test ride a recumbent before spreading fake news!

  26. I agree with Ollie's American accents too, they are so bad but I laugh every time. And then for a good laugh put in "Abbott and Costello Who is on First?" into the Youtube search bar

  27. Climbing on a recumbent 2-wheeler is no different than climbing on a diamond-frame while seated. And the speed you get on flats and downhills more than offsets the climb! And remember recumbent riders don't have to coast when taking a curve: they keep pedaling hard without worrying about pedals striking the ground. Also, being used to balance a recumbent is similar to an upright bike. Thing is, we forgot how much it took us to ditch the training wheels, but the learning curve is very similar.

  28. Jon e-bikes or not bicycles they're electric scooters. Here in San Francisco I get passed often by young 20-somethings on e-bikes will climbing one of our many hills. I'm 70 my response usually is, learn how to pedal the damn thing, you little wimp.

  29. Recumbent is a terrible idea anywhere outside of long stretches of open roads or a track.
    I tried it and it was scary as hell. First of all, you are not visible to road users. Your head is at the level of an SUV headlight. Let that sink in for a moment. On a regular bike, you see above the roofs of cars.
    Secondly, you cannot see ahead of you at an intersection. Your front wheel is so far ahead (and your head so low), that at points I had to actually get off and stand up to see if it's safe to make a turn.
    Third, you lack agility to avoid obstacles, potholes you can't clearly see from your position, you can't even get up a curb. Bunny hopping is obviously not an option.
    At first I loved it, it was a recliner chair kind of feel. But after 5 hours I decided I'm never going to ride one again. Do I even need a bike that feels like a recliner?
    To me it's quite simple – more recumbents = more cyclist related deaths.

  30. One of the big reasons people ride recumbents is the increased comfort. Things like wrist pain, neck pain and worrying about the "sensitive" areas go away. And that's a big win if you can't ride a normal bike because of any of those. And once you've learned to balance on one it does become 2nd nature. Well worth a look. You are also allowed to ride both diamond frames and recumbents; it's not a binary choice!

  31. Victor or Amber? It's close because I like the dna on both. Bad jokes aside looking forward to your eps on Euro Bike Week.

  32. I'm sorry to see that following on what was a well balanced video with the BHPC you then have these two who are your typical cycling people talking about recumbents without ever riding one or applying some critical thinking. A few points to note:-

    Cornering
    For three years I owned a trike. This was a tadpole design (two wheels at the front) rather than a delta design (two wheels at the back) and can say that nothing corners as better as a tadpole trike – nothing – it's plain physics. The COG is pretty much as low as you can get being only inches above the ground and being on three wheels it's very stable. I think the mistake the presenter is making here is comparing an upright tricycle with a recumbent tricycle and suspension does not come into it, mine was not and it cornered like it was on rails.

    Maneuveuring
    You can split two wheeled recumbents into long wheeled base (LWB) and short wheeled base (SWB). I would say based on experience that LWB recumbents are a bit more twitchy at slow speeds however SWB you can throw around a lot more. I happily commuted on one into central London every day filtering through traffic as you would on a diamond frame bike.

    Balance
    ''..you have a higher chance of falling off them because you always have to maintain balance don't you?..'' GCN 29/08/2019

    It's a thing called inertia, again simple physics.

    Cost
    Agreed some of the higher end models that you can buy would set you back in the region of £2-2.5k. upwards However there are budget recumbents out there that you can buy for just over a grand. In addition recumbents keep their resale value very well so you would lose as much money if you were selling on a LFL diamond frame bike.

    Hill climbing
    ''Bikes don't climb hills people do''

    Froome when he made his break away in the Giro when he won it, did he stand up at all or spin up a low gear really quickly whilst seated? And you don't get seat sores unlike when riding a diamond frame bike.

    People seeing you
    This is falsehood which would elicit some chuckles among the recumbent fraternity. The opposite is true, the WTF factor of riding a recumbent is that people give you more room then what you would get riding a diamond frame bike. Seriously you guys don't what you talking about here. Go out and ride one and see for yourself.

    Velomobiles
    Again go out and ride one. Velomobiles are raced and have been raced and won (or first back) this year at Sebring, Trans Am and PBP. I don't recall there being issues with the fairing with it breaking, modern ones are made of carbon fibre – can this break easily? Is carbon fibre fragile?

    If you ride one with the racing hood off you can still get those aero gains whist still being ventilated.

  33. It depends on what type of recumbent you are talking about as the recumbent cycle type is particularly diverse. This aspect of different types covers the comment they look like cars which is probably more relevant regarding velamobles and to a much wider extent trikes. But specfic recumbent models like high racers have the main dynamics of a diamond frame , like two large wheels , decent height and balance but with better areodynamics and comfort of a recumbent. The high racer is perhaps the best recumbent for commuting and city duties. The are really fast and immense fun.

  34. Ask the poor fellow in our bike club who went off the road trying to follow me around a corner on his road bike. He crashed and was injured, now has to ride a three wheel recumbent.

  35. If you haven't ridddn one (or more), why are you giving uninformed opinions? Saddle sores and back sores?? WTH???

  36. I had a trike and ended up selling it because of a major disadvantage that you did not mention. You can't lessen the impact of a pothole or bump by getting off your seat like you do on a regular bike.

  37. As a guy who has ridden both, I cannot agree with your statement of disadvantages. I used to have a road bike, and now I have a recumbent trike.
    1 stability, changing direction: Well, I wouldn't say it is that much more stable on a standard bike particularly if you lean into corners, and changing direction quickly is better on my recumbent.
    2 Visibility: Again no, as I can see all around me, and when I ride on the road cars give me more room and see me.
    3 Saddle sores, comfort: Um, the recumbent gives me no saddle sores, and is certainly more comfortable then a regular road bike, with no back strain.
    4 Price: Mine is a performer recumbent trike and is a little more expensive, but that is partly because of shows like yours telling people all the dissadvantages to owning a recumbent, when you don't actually own one.
    Yes there are dissadvantages, they take up a bit more space, price (no thanks to you guys), things fall out of regular pockets, but you don't have to wear special bicycle shorts, just regular clothes.
    They are a little harder to go up hills, but not that much harder, with a trike you can put it in a low gear and grind up the hill. I'm not a young guy I'm 47 but I'm not that much slower up hill then a person on an upright Bike with similar fitness. The biggest reason that recumbents haven taken off, is that the UCI has banned them from racing, hence the perception that they are slow, and then people who don't ride them or own them making stuff up about non existent dissadvantages. Yes there are dissadvantages, but ask a person who actually owns one.

  38. I love that GCN have addressed the recumbent Bikes. But I feel really disapointed you were talking about advantages and disadvantages of recumbents without really experiencing a recumbent. I would love to see more experience before talking about recumbents…

  39. Maybe the fella should actually ride a recumbent before being so anti- them 🙂
    Then he'd know that there was no need to shift weight due to discomfort, because they are really comfy due to so much more seat. And marginally harder to balance, but really not a big deal, same as it isn't for a normal bike.

    I had one for a couple of years (for a long commute and because I was getting shoulder aches). The main problem is they are a pain around traffic and towns – you can't see much and you can't yob up kerbs (and you can't really look over your shoulder – at least with the seat I had). Also a big soggy when it rains.
    You get an amazing view of the world though and kids love to point, which does indeed make you smile 🙂

  40. I cannot believe all the negative statements the pair of you made about recumbents in general, when you BOTH admit you have never actually riden any! It's about time you started… I'm sure there are plenty of manufacturers that would be only too pleased to lend you some, then you could experience the different types for yourselves. You may then understand where the smile comes into the equation and be better qualified to give opinions based on actual experience!

  41. I rode a Catrike 700 for a few years because of some back problems. Pros: Less wind issues, less bottom soreness, you can pick up garbage off the road for all your two wheeler friends, more comfortable for long rides. Cons: heavier, going up hill, you have a lot of gears but can't stand and muscle up, more tires to carry in pack, don't get as big an advantage in draft or provide group advantage being in front of pack, can't really use your jersey pockets (I bought a fanny pack and wore it facing forwards). Visibility comment: in all my years riding, I never had an issue with people in front or back of me moving over (cars). What I worried about the most was people coming out of cross streets or driveways and not looking "down". And, yes it does take some time to re-adjust your legs to the new pedaling motion (being out in front instead of below you, does feel a lot different). I loved it, but I loved going back to two wheels once my back got better. It is still hanging from the ceiling in the garage in case I need it again.

  42. I road a touring bike in the 80's, did John O Groats to Lands End, through Europe, and commuted and rode ever since. I had Mountain Bikes up to last year, mainly Cannondale. Then last year I did my back, lower compression fractures, and a disk. Dr said no more bike riding, sitting in a curved position. Got fat. Then brought a German built HP Velotechnik Scorpion FS 26 Enduro (Google it). Basically a three wheel fully suspended recumbent version of an MTB. No you cant ride it like a MTB. No jumps or hard climbs. But it is bloody fantastic. Like a lounge chair on wheels. Already back to 40km plus rides with moderate hills every day. No more sore back, bum, or wrists. Yes, you do have to watch your cornering speeds, your eye level in traffic is low (mirrors are essential), you are wide on bike tracks, and going up hills are slower. But it's the most fun cycling I've had in years, and the thing folds up and fits in the back of the Mini (Countryman). Highly recommend you try one.

  43. Referring to the recumbent section of the show, the big thing for me would be winter riding, having come a cropper on ice over the years the extra stability a recumbent offers is very appealing. Be great to see more recumbent content on the show.

  44. I knew it wouldn't take long before your sponsors started leaning on you for extolling the virtues of recumbent bikes. GCN only exists as a promotional forum for big manufacturers. It's a shame.

  45. The greatest blocker is psychological, which the show fails to notice, but the comments demonstrate very clearly. It's getting on for 100 years (1934) since the UCI banned anything but the illogical, unsafe and uncomfortable diamond frame (or modesty bike for women). There's several generations who have known nothing else. And because we know nothing else we imagine the unknown to be dangerous. There was a time racing drivers refused seat belts because it was 'unsafe' and would stop them jumping out of their cars. As black-boxes (flight data recorders) were being marketed in the 1960s, the Australian pilots' association claimed it would be less safe with big brother listening and hampering cockpit communication. Yet we still have a rule that bans a better bike.

    Every now and again I go back to a DF and I feel top-heavy, vulnerable, wobbly and deeply uncomfortable with my undercarriage. If this wasn't the 'accepted' geometry it would have died a natural death years and years ago.

    The other great myth is that recumbents are a single functional class. Several manufacturers make several types for all the different jobs like commuting, touring, racing, cargo, etc. What do you want to do? how fast do you want to go? There's a recumbent for that.

  46. Cycling industry is severely dominated by over pricing and race orientation.

    They still haven't even made shaft driven wheel as mush… But now another comoany has coneuo with a shaft drive thats a gazillion times more expensive and theyre all over the net popularizing it…

    The real reason why cycling hasnt gotten popular is because of so much discrimination.

  47. Have you guys been living under a rock or in a deep cave? Recumbent bikes, trikes and quads have been around for a very long time.

  48. I don't think saddle sores happen to recumbent riders since the pressure is spread over such a large area (that would be like getting saddle sores from your couch). Saddle sores typically happen because traditional seats place most of your weight onto a tiny little area crammed between your legs. The Bodylink seat on my HPVelo is the most comfortable seat I have ever experienced, even better than any of the high-end Herman Miller office chairs I have owned! The one issue we get is sweaty back, so ventilated seat pads are all the rage. I would love to see you test out a Cruzbike Vendetta V20, which claims to be the fastest bike in the world (and holds an impressive list of accomplishments). Plus, it uses drop bars, 700c wheels and modern road groupsets so it is easier for us to relate to! Heck, the doctor that started Cruzbike would probably even be delighted to come on your show to discuss recumbents since he seems quite the advocate.

  49. I have a recumbent, a velomobile and ofcourse ATB/MTB and race bike. They all have their pro's and con's. Velomobile is very usefull for home<->work use when road use permits as mentioned in video on cons. Recumbent is very comfy bike and i have never back problems any of the recumbent/velomobiles. As with mtb and race bike i get some times neck pains but is more social when riding with a cycle club. I definitely suggest you get some real first hand bike rides with a recumbent please not an extreme one but a good one like a high or mid racer type.

  50. Recumbert tricks, quads and velomobiles are great. I have an ice adventure and would never ridden an ordinary bike again.

  51. Talking about offroad e-bike recumbents, and not mentioning JerryRigEverything's creation? –> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ela3bPtookg

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