Roadster Designer and Media Bashing Tesla + Q&A for Nov 27th, 2017 – Teslanomics LIVE!

– It’s ready for us. Hello and welcome everyone to another episode of Teslanomics live. I’m your host Ben Sullins and today we’re going to be talking about the latest Tesla news
from around the world. Sorry for the dramatic intro. This is a live show that runs usually around 45 minutes or more. If you’re watching this after the fact and you don’t want to
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the link right there. Then you will get invites to Crowdcast where I actually do the Q&A and the discussions and all that. So there you have that. First and foremost the story
I want to talk about today– let me just make sure, I’ll switch over so you
guys can see my screen. Ba-bam. Uh-oh, let me fix my browser. Yeah this happens. That’s not the one. Believe it or not, I still haven’t mastered
live streaming. (chuckles) Let’s do this one more
time, let’s do the browser. There it is. Hey browser, hi, here you
are, here’s the story. Now let’s go full screen there. Ba-bam and we’re good. All right. There you go, so you should
be able to see that now. I am streaming in 720 which
is a bit lower resolution but hopefully makes it
bit smoother experience for you guys on your end. So first and foremost, the
story about the Tesla Semi. Tesla becoming their own first customer. Let me read you a little bit from this. This comes from to us from
Electrek and they write, “While orders for the Tesla
Semi truck are piling up, Tesla’s VP of Truck
programs, Jerome Guillen,” sorry if I mispronounced it, “confirmed that Tesla will
be it’s own first customer “and it will be shipping things, cargo, “between the Fremont plant,
where they make the cars, “and the battery factory in Nevada,” the Gigafactory just outside of Reno,” which really isn’t that far. I don’t know if you
know the distance here. I think they have a map on the page here. Yeah, it’s about a 4 hour drive. You kind of have to go over the mountains which is kind of tough I guess, but other than that it’s
really pretty straightforward. Now during the presentation– So Jerome gave a presentation about this, I believe in Netherlands. He said specifically that, “Tesla will be the first
customer for the truck. “We will use our own truck to carry cargo “in the US between our
different facilities. “We have an assembly
facility in California, “the Gigafactory in Nevada, “so we’ll use our trucks to
carry things in between.” No surprises here. I think
this is a great move for Tesla. Obviously this is gonna benefit them when it comes to testing things out and working out all the kinks, and that will then make
the other customers have an even better
product and experience. Probably they’ll figure
out different challenges that they have, with maybe certain routes, or certain types of routes, then that could lead
to over-the-air updates to make improvements to the
Semis and everything like that, resulting in a much better
product for everyone else, and furthering their chance of really disrupting that market. Now Tesla did talk at the presentation about the true cost of ownership, and last week, I put out a
video of this last Saturday. I apologize for publishing it so late. It took a long, long time. As I mentioned, I had to rebuild my whole computer setup here. I lost a bunch of footage.
Really, really tough. Plus, you know, it was
Thanksgiving in the US, so there’s that. So all that stuff said, I
just did a video on this, you can take a look and see what I had for the total operating costs
versus what Tesla reports. I think it’s compelling. Now this one right here that
you’re seeing on the screen is the convoy option where
you have multiple trucks that are tracking it
that don’t have drivers, and also are benefiting from things like fuel savings from the drafting, or platooning technology as they call it. All those things said,
there’s a lot to learn here, and this is no big surprise, but it is exciting to see
that this is happening. Not to mention that other
companies like WalMart have announced that they already have placed orders for them. I think that we’re gonna see
adoption of this grow slowly. The news right now is pretty hot about it, lots of people are talking about it. Lots of speculation, lots of things, but it will probably
be a few more quarters before we really see real numbers of this. First off they’re not
even making it until 2019, so I expect that the news about this will kind of quiet down
in the near future. I do apologize. I am cold, and
I do not have a heater here. I live in San Diego, so
typically it’s pretty warm, but it was pretty chilly today. And I apologize for anyone that lives in a really cold environment. Go ahead and feel free to leave some nasty comments
about that, I’m sure. Okay, next story. This one is so fun. Somebody built a Roadster color picker. I’ll put a link in the description so you can go play with this as well. For those of you that have been
following me for a long time you know that I won a free
Roadster, thanks you you and thanks to everyone
help spread the messages and all the information we use here, and growing this community, which then enabled this whole thing. So thank you so much, but this is so fun. For what I’m getting, it’s
gonna be this guy here. I want black on black.
Obsidian black metallic. Here was the one, the
midnight silver metallic, that you saw at the event. There was the red one,
which looked like this, which I do love, and the fact that this
is really aggressive– You know, this car
deserves a color like that. Normally I would never buy
a car in a color like this, but something about this just deep, dark, Batmobile-like black really calls to me, so I think this is the
color I’m gonna go with. And here was the color that I mentioned that were a separate one kind
of behind this glass barricade that you could see as well. Some of these other
colors are interesting. Like I don’t really like the green here. The light blue, eh, maybe. I don’t know. I’m kind of short on all
these different colors. The red I think is nice, and
I like the deep black there, the obsidian black metal. So anyways, put a link to
the description down below. Hope you guys enjoy that. Now let’s talk about Tesla
breaking some laws of physics with their new battery tech. And this comes to us from Tom Randall who writes a lot about Tesla on Bloomberg. He is a great writer and
I really love his work. This is a great article. I
really like this article. The thing about it is that he talks about there are a few different
claims that they made, and those claims seem to defy
the kind of laws of physics in the stuff we currently know. Let me just read you
a little quip from it. They write, “These
claims are so far beyond “current industry standards
for electric vehicles “that they would require “either advances in battery technology “or a new understanding of
how batteries are put to use, “said Sam Jaffe, battery analyst
for Kieran Energy Research “in Boulder, Colorado. “In some cases, experts suspect
that Tesla might be banking “on technology improvements between now “and the time when the new vehicles “are actually ready for delivery.” Now Jaffe says, “I don’t
think they’re lying. “I just think that they left something out “of the public reveal “that would explain how
these numbers work.” And let me talk about that for a second. I agree that there may be some details– certainly there were details left out– but there may be some things that they have prototyped
but aren’t production ready, but I really think it would be dangerous if there was like a new technology that they don’t even know about yet which they plan on using here, because that would just be
completely reckless of them, I would say. So I think that they do have a lot of these things already figured out, and maybe they’re just
in the prototype phase, and then the challenge
will be how to make them in the mass market scale. Some of those claims,
if you’re unfamiliar, was that the truck will be able to haul 80,000 pounds for 500 miles. So, that’s quite a ways. Another one that it would
recharge 400 miles in 30 minutes. Now this one would require a
large– the new megachargers. Megachargers! Love that name. But even using the current technology wouldn’t really be possible. So they would have to have
some new advancement here. Elon has tweeted about
this before, no surprise. I would not be surprised
also if this then later, this same technology later came to new Model S, X, potentially Model 3s, that would allow it to charge even faster. No big surprise there. (coughs) Excuse me. Sorry. The guaranteed charging rate of seven centers per kilowatt hour I see as being completely possible because what they have is
a complete closed circuit. They don’t need the grid whatsoever. Now they can do this
with solar, Powerpacks, and then the megachargers. So this really is not a shock to me. I know a lot of people
are talking about this, like, “Oh, that’s impossible,” but really I see how
this is totally doable. Now, at seven cents per kilowatt hour, their payback period on the
investment of the megachargers may be quite a while, but if you include that
as basically a part of the infrastructure
needed for these trucks, then the cost of the
trucks or the upfront price of the deposits that
people have already placed will already be paying for this, and if you take into account
the future values of money, then this actually totally makes sense. I don’t think this is a big deal, but some people seem to think that it might be extra difficult. Now, the Roadster having a 620-mile range with a 200 kilowatt hour
battery pack doesn’t actually– Those numbers add up. A current P100D gets something
like 335 miles on range, so if you doubled that then you’re looking at even greater. So 620 mile range with a
200 kilowatt hour pack, not a big deal. The challenge is how do you
fit the batteries in there. Now, the fact that in this article they’re calling it a Tiny
Roadster is interesting to me because the Roadster was not very tiny. Now, it was low to the ground, but the footprint of the
vehicle was quite large. I would say it was just
as big as a Model S. Now, also not having a trunk, if you were to fill up all of
the trunk space in the Model S and the frunk with batteries, you would probably get another
60 kilowatt hours in there. So this actually, I don’t
think is that big of a deal. I am, fingers crossed, hoping for though a major breakthrough
that makes it possible because that would mean
that the S and the X will have major advances as well, which I’ve been thinking
about for a long time, so I think that is very, very likely. All of these things put
together lead to there is a potential major breakthrough
in the battery technology. To be determined, right. We don’t have any details of it right now, but I think we’re gonna
see something pretty soon. All right, now for my short, and the short is the
thing that I am against, or the thing I don’t like. The thing that I think is kind of bogus. And this week it’s all
about the negative press coming out about Tesla. There are a couple of articles I want to call out specifically here. This all follows the
technology hype cycle. If you’re on my email list
you got an image of that and some more detail recently. So you guys already know, but for those of you that
aren’t on the email list, what’s going on here is
technologies when they come out, they have this insane amount of hype. The Model 3 for example, just
nuts. Nuts amount of hype. Then reality starts to set in, and you kind of go through this what they call the trough
of disillusionment. You kind of go in this low cycle of negative press starting to roll in and really the hype starting to wipe away. And then you kind of have
this long tail ascension into kind of a realization of how groundbreaking
these technologies are. Think about the iPhone, for example. When it first came out, Apple and Apple fans were just blown away, it was just the most
amazing thing in the world. And a lot of other people
were calling them out saying, “Look, that things suck. “It doesn’t do this, doesn’t
do this, doesn’t do this,” whatever. And so after it got here– Again, Steve Balmer saying, “Oh, business users will never want this, “it doesn’t have a keyboard,” et cetera. Well, there was a big trough, there was a big down cycle there where people were really short on it. And then guess what? As
it started to come up, people really think of the iPhone as a game changer in technology. I think it has its limitations and all those kinds of things, we can talk about those in the future. But I think that’s what
we’re starting to see here. So this article from Chicago Tribune says, I’ll just give you the one quip
here and then we’ll move on, is that, “The push for
driverless and electric trucks “evidenced by the recent gaudy rollout “of the Tesla Semi trailer
truck is a fool’s errand. “These ‘innovations’ are akin “to improving 8-track and cassette tapes “in a world of streaming services.” I think the point they’re
trying to make here is that these things suck, and we should really be
focusing on someone else, and blah blah blah. But, you know, the wording
here is so disrespectful, and so lame, and such a low blow. I really think it tarnishes
any kind of credibility that this brand had. So with that we’re gonna move right on because they don’t deserve
another second there. Now this one, with TechCrunch,
is a bit different. And this is one that I’m
seeing a lot more of. Is that basically the shorts, the people that are against Tesla, that think it’s gonna, I
dunno, fall over tomorrow, also the same people, again, that said the iPhone wasn’t gonna work, and that electric cars aren’t happening, and all those kind of things. You know, the coal
industry kind of people, which I assume this guy is here. Is writing about this saying that, and I’ll just quote from the article here. “Jim Channels summarized all
of these reasons why nicely. “If you wouldn’t be short
a multi-billion dollar “loss-making enterprise
in a cyclical business “with a leveraged balanced
sheet, questionable accounting, “and every executive leaving, run by a CEO “with a questionable
relationship with the truth, “what would you be short? “It sort of ticks all the boxes. “A lot of people think bankruptcy
looms in Tesla’s future. “Of course, Tesla bears have
been saying this for years “and they’ve consistently been wrong. “But this time, are they right?” Here’s the thing. The mantra is grow or die. So profitability, and I hear questions
about this all the time. “Oh, this company, they’re not
profitable,” this and that. Right, yeah, for the steam
engines of the world, and the GMs, and the companies
that have been around for hundreds of years,
profitability is important. People live on these things in terms of dividends and all that. Now, when you have basically
a fledgling auto maker– Tesla hasn’t been around nearly as long as any of the others– and if you think about it they’re one of the only two US auto makers who haven’t declared
bankruptcy, them and Ford. It behooves them to grow as
fast as humanly possible, which means spending more money on growth tactics and growth strategies like building out things for the Model 3, developing new battery technology, all these kind of things, they must do those things
in order to stay afloat, in order to really compete, because they haven’t made it yet. Unlike these other companies that have been around
for hundreds of years and they’re kind of too big to fail, Tesla is still in that phase. As Elon had put it before, the likelihood that they’ll
be around in five years is much stronger now than
it had been previously. I think that obviously
Tesla, on the long run here, is gonna make a huge impact on our world. I still question whether or not some of their advancements
such as the Model 3 will actually be the thing, right? If you think about the iPhone, the iPhone is not the thing. It may have something
like 40% of the US market, but worldwide it has around
15% of the smartphone market, meaning 85% of the world
that has a smartphone, they do not have an iPhone. 85%. However, every smartphone in the world looks just like an iPhone,
it looks exactly the same. Why? Because they were the ones that brought the pieces together to create a product that did
capture everyone’s imagination and then everyone else has been
playing catch up since then. I think now Apple, and
it’s really not a debate, is years behind. Even with the iPhone X, they’re years behind other phone makers. But the point is that while Apple has succeeded tremendously with this, they are not the dominant player. So many other companies have
much larger market shares. So the same is true here. Whether or not with the
Model 3 itself, for example, really their kind of iPhone type product, is the thing that then
the whole world wants, there are likely gonna be
some strong competitors. And really because they
are so sought after and so many people want their products, it is gonna shift the market towards their style of car making. Really high tech, really
minimalist, that kind of a thing. So when I see articles like this, and there are many others that
have been out there recently, it really gets me upset because people are just completely
missing the point here, and really pandering to the shorts, and the people that want
us to have this short-term, short-sighted thinking, where executive compensation
is tied to quarterly earnings, so we like lay off thousands
of people to look better so I can make more money. The whole notion here of like
maximize shareholder value is a big fallacy that’s been
disproved a lot of ways. So these articles really piss me off, and it really makes me upset
because they just don’t get it. I really can’t wait for Tesla, I guess, to continue to prove them wrong. And so that is my short for the week. Let me know what you think
in the comments down below. I’m sure many of you disagree with me, and I would like to understand why, so please leave me a
comment if you have one on that whole notion. Now let’s move on to the long, and this is the thing I’m
long on, the think I like, and that, this week, is that Tesla is working
with Apple and others to sustainably secure all
of the cobalt they use, which is a big part of batteries, for the Tesla cars as well as
for things like the phones, laptops, basically all the things– not all, but a good
chunk of what you have, anything that’s a lithium-ion battery. Now I’ll read a little
bit here from the article and they state that, “Some
estimates say that more than 1/3 “of all cars in the world
could be electric in 2020.” I think that’s strong, but yeah. I’m sorry, in 20 years. “But as demand and interest “for an obscure mineral increases, “car manufacturers are
presented with a new challenge: “acquiring enough in time
to make electric vehicles.” Now I’ve already talked
about lithium before. Lithium we’re actually totally fine with, and in fact, an MIT
study that just came out said there may be some
short-term bottlenecks, but even when it comes
to cobalt and lithium, totally fine, we have
plenty to actually make. But the question is
about the supply chain. “60% of the world’s cobalt
comes from the Congo, “where children often do
much of the hard labor. “Because of that, Apple and Tesla “are among companies refusing to use “what they term ‘unethical
cobalt’ in their batteries. “In 2014 the spokesperson for Tesla “promised to only use cobalt
mined in North America.” Now that is almost impossible, because the mining
operations in North America really, really don’t provide
enough of what they need. The idea, though, that
companies like this are getting together to do something that
they believe in ethically, I am really long on, I like to see companies
do these kind of things. Now, I don’t think that they’ll be able to get it totally from North America, so they’ll still have to
get it from the Congo, but I hope that they will
be able to build a system that guarantees these operations are done in a more sustainable way and also a way that
doesn’t exploit child labor and violate other humans right, which all over the world
has been happening, really, I don’t know, since
humans have been around. But the question I still
have is whether or not it’s possible for a
system like this to exist. And what I mean by that
is diamonds, for example, are notoriously difficult
to tell the source of. There have been some crazy videos. There’s a guy that did
one on Brilliant Earth, which is a diamond
manufacturer which always has– they full-on send out certificates saying this is ethically sourced,
it’s conflict-free, et cetera, and he went and tried to track it down and it turns out tracking a
diamond to be conflict-free is damn near impossible. So I love the idea of
what they’re doing here. The optimist in me hopes
that they can realize it, but I’m also skeptical on whether
or not its truly possible. So my long here is that
companies like this are getting together to do something which I think is the right thing to do, and then on the other hand, I’m still kind of holding out that we need to make sure that
there is some accountability. So there we go, that’s
my long for the week. I’d love to know what
you think about this. I’ve had a lot of questions
about this in the past. I haven’t talked about cobalt,
I’ve talked about lithium, so there you go. Now in global news, this
is a time for an applause. Norway is ditching the
heavily-criticized Tesla tax. And let me talk about
this a little bit here. “Norway, considered an
electric vehicle pioneer, “has been mulling a new tax
on the emission-free vehicles. “Since the government’s
proposed one-off fee “is based on the vehicle’s weight, “it quickly starting being
called the Tesla tax. “This refers to the fact that
Tesla’s relatively heavy cars “are the only vehicles
qualifying in the highest class “which would lead to an $8,800
or a 70,000 Norwegian Krone “one-off fee according to the NRK “and other Norwegian media. “The motivation behind the fee was that “heavy electric vehicles
take a toll on the roads. “Their proposal has faced heavy criticism “and now the Norwegian government “has decided to ditch the proposal “having failed to garner enough support “from the supporting political
parties in parliament,” reports SVD? Sorry. I
can’t pronounce that. “The proposal got fierce resistance “from the environmental movement, Belana, “and the Norwegian EV Association “who said it arrives just
when zero-emission vehicles “are becoming the new norm in Norway.” So congratulations to the folks that were able to get this repealed. I think that, yeah, this seemed ridiculous
when I first saw it. A lot of people sent this to me, and so thank you for
calling it to my attention. Norway continues to be the leader. They don’t have the
most electric vehicles– it’s a smaller country relatively. They do have the most per capita. But hopefully other countries
are gonna look at them and follow whatever
model they come up with to pay for those things, because
that certainly is a thing. For example in California,
I think after 2020, all electric vehicles will
have $100 per year fee, which is basically a pay for the roads, because you’re no longer
paying the gas tax, which just went up by like 30
cents or something crazy here. Gas taxes continue to rise, which is good, because that means that
more electric vehicles– more people are going to go electric. As batteries become cheaper, and electronic cars become
cheaper and have longer ranges, they become more of a normal car, I think we’re really gonna
see the transition here. 20 years is a long way out. I think within five, five
to 10 years we’ll see a big shift in countries
like the United States, not to mention other countries like China which have been pushing ahead
for the past several years and are really, really being aggressive with what they offer. So cheers to Norway for
doing the right thing, and I really can’t wait to hear what other types of
systems you come up with and ways that we can learn
from whatever model you build. All right, that is all I
have for the news today, but now I’m gonna take a
look and let’s do some Q&A. If you are on Crowdcast– Let me stop sharing my screen whenever I figure out how to do that. Yep, there we go. And once I stop sharing my screen you have this infinity
effect, which is cool. I’m gonna go over to ask a question, we’re gonna go full screen. Maybe sure to go vote so that way only the most
popular questions get answered. I’ll try, I should be able
to get to all of them. But this is an example of
the community-driven Q&A, which I absolutely
love, far more than I do the just random stuff that
happens inside of YouTube. So if you guys wanna be a part of this make sure to go to, get on the email list, and then next week you’ll be able to join. It looks like we had
about 193 people join now, so almost 100. Okay, first question. Joe Grande. “I saw a Bjorn Nyland YouTube video “where he claims his Tesla X battery “lost about a third of its charge “sitting in the airport
parking lot for a week. “What can you tell us about
this phantom power loss?” That totally is possible depending on the weather conditions. Also the wind appears to be a factor. I did a video about this recently. There’s a company out there called Tezlab, T-E-Z-L-A-B, and you can
see some videos I did or just Google them and you’ll find them. They have an app which actually tracks your phantom drain for you. It’s kind of like having
a FitBit for your Tesla. So if you have a Tesla and you’re interested in this stuff, and tracking it, go get that. You can have the email report sent to you. You can also have it on your phone. I would show you, but
I just got a new phone, I haven’t set it up yet. So yeah, there you go. But yeah, that’s totally possible depending on some of the conditions. A third? I mean yeah, that’s doable. I know mine if it just sits there maybe in about a week
it will lose not a lot, but I’m also in a garage in
a very temperate climate. So yeah. Thanks for the question, Joe. All right next we have
a question from Walt. Walt asks, “Since the
Tesla computer is wired “to the Internet for updates,
mapping, radio, et cetera, “is there a monthly charge
for cell service like a phone? “Also if the car is
attached to the Internet “through AT&T or whatever cell service, “what about places like where I live “on the northern coast of California “where there’s little or no cell service? “How does that affect the car if at all?” Yeah, great question. I know with my Model S, they’re giving it to
us free for four years. I’m not quite sure about the Model 3, if those details are out yet. I’m actually assuming they might be because now people are getting invites. Through the S and the X
it’s four years for free. Potentially longer, they
seemed kind of fuzzy on how that will all work. But yeah, it does have issues if you’re in an area where
there’s not great signal. I don’t know which provider
it uses, it’s not clear, but yeah, I mean, it
has little bars in there and it kind of does its own thing. Yeah, it works awesome as far as my experience has been. I don’t know if I’ve been
to the town you’re in. I’ve driven all up and down the coast, and it generally works really well, but there are some times
when it loses signal. I live in an area too
where cell signal is great but I’m on a hill. San Diego is kind of hilly
and canyons and stuff all over so there are times when it’s hard, when it doesn’t have a great signal. But overall it’s worked well for me. And by the way if you have
an older car like I do, you can even upgrade that
to the 4G connection. Mine is only 3G, which works well, but I may do the upgrade to the 4G so stay tuned for that. Thanks for the question. Norm asks, “Do you think the Roadster 2.0 “has new battery tech or
simply two 100D battery packs “stacked one above the other?” That’s a good question. I think that there’s
some advancements here, which those advancements
could be the casing and kind of how they fit together, or it could be something
about the battery cells, or whatever. But yeah, I think there’s definitely some battery advancements there. The question is kind
of how insane are they or is it just some clever
little innovations, or are we talking major step forward. We’ll see as more stuff comes out. Because of this though, I think a lot of people are
speculating, and rightly so, that we will likely see some major updates to the S and the X battery capabilities, which really I think they
have to do very soon. Yeah, so stay tuned for that. Thanks for the question, Norm. Let me go to Walt again. “Has there been any word yet “if Elon has come through with his mention “of something special for
early reservation holders?” I haven’t seen it, I really haven’t. And the fact that people are
already ordering their cars and I haven’t seen it there, yeah, might be a question whether
or not it comes in later as like a software update
or something like that. Yeah, stay tuned, we’ll find out. Thanks for the question. Thejediwill1 asks,
“What do you think about “the recent comments by Bob Lutz “about Tesla going broke
and losing enterprise?” Are these new? I feel like he’s been
saying this for six years. Bob Lutz is a funny guy,
that’s all I have to say. I enjoy watching him because
it’s always comedic to me. Yeah, don’t really have
a comment on it though. He’s wrong, he’s been wrong. If history shows anything, that this guy doesn’t know
what he’s talking about. So yeah, there’s that. Cyrus asks, “Estimate
on how big a solar array “to be able to support the megacharger?” It’s gonna be big, man. It’s gonna be massive, probably, honestly. Man, I can’t even really speculate, but it’s gonna have to be big, especially if you have
multiple trucks coming in. Which is fine because you’ll probably put them out in the middle of nowhere, probably build a cafe, like there’s a new one with
a cafe here in California. So yeah, I’m sure it will make it kind of a nice experience for them. But yeah, at the same time,
if you have multiple trucks coming in using it over and over again, it’s gonna be pretty massive I’m sure. Thanks for the question. Vic asks, “Do you think 18 inch wheels “or 19 inch sport wheels
will be the most popular “and is there an option for wider tires “on the rear versus the front tires?” I don’t think there is out of the box. I’m sure aftermarket companies like Unplugged Performance
in LA will be doing it, doing things like that. Which ones are gonna be the most popular? I think I did a video on this, and I forget what the answer was. But I think the aero wheels actually will be the most popular, especially now that you know
you can remove the hubcap and you don’t have this hideous-looking thing on the outside. That’s what I’m getting, but I’m also gonna probably swap them
out for some lighter ones, because it’s amazing what you can do to reduce the weight on the car by putting in lighter rims. So yeah, stay tuned for that. Once I get my Model 3 we’re gonna do some fun stuff with it. Yeah, it’s gonna be a blast. I’ve got some friends up in LA, we’re just gonna go trick this thing out and have fun with it. So stay tuned for that. Gary, how’s it going? Thanks
for joining me yet again. Your question is, “There is
a long range premium upgrade “Model 3 listed on CL for
Connecticut for $65,000 “by an early reservation holder. “The holder will config
to the buyer’s wishes “and sell the car to the
buyer when delivered. “The ad says delivery by Christmas. “What do you think? Good buy?” It depends. $65,000 is really not
that crazy of a price, considering the scarcity of it. And yeah, I think the long
range premium upgrade, you’re already looking in the 50s, so with taxes and everything else, yeah, it’s not a bad deal. Yeah, I don’t know if it’s a good buy, but I would say that’s not insane. If it were double that price
I would say that’s crazy, but I wouldn’t be surprised if
somebody bought it even then. Yeah, that’s an interesting question. Yeah, I’m curious. If you
go for it let me know. Tom asks, “Did you browse “through the leaked Model
3 owner’s manual already? “If so, did you find
anything worth mentioning?” No, I haven’t looked it. It was Thanksgiving here,
I had family in town. I’m trying rebuild my computers, get the video out last week. I haven’t had any time
to dig into those things, nor have I had time to really
sift through the configurator, the actual configurator
that people are posting. I still haven’t gotten
my invite, by the way, so I’m still waiting I’m that. I’m kind of surprised by that. But in any event, no,
not yet, but stay tuned. I will be parsing through
that in the coming week or so. Melissa asked, “I reserved my
Model 3 on August 28th, 2017. “My delivery is scheduled for late 2018. “Will I be receiving a 2018 Model 3 “or a 2019 Model 3, or
will there be a choice?” Yeah, I would say once you get
the invite you’ll know more, so as far as right now goes,
just hang tight, I guess. As that delivery ramp goes up I think we’re gonna see thousands of these being delivered, so, it may
be sooner than you think. Hang on to your butt there, it’s gonna be a little wild
right here for a while. Thanks for the question. Walt asks, “What is the premium package “for the Model 3 for,
the $4,000 extra charge?” Yeah, if you go to… Is that it? Let’s see if I guessed right. Hey, there you go. You can go check this out. And then I actually have a thing here which is the premium section. So it’s actually $5,000, and you can see what it is there exactly. So if you go to you can see it. I have all the pricing listed right there. So yeah, enjoy. Pranav asks, “With regenerative braking “the Tesla car will slow
down faster than ICE car. “Do brake lights show up as
one lifts his or her foot “from the acceleration paddle? “I’m thinking it could be
risky if the car behind you “realized the regen brake has applied. “Especially I’ve noticed people
drive too close in Texas,” okay, “at very high speeds on highways.” You know, I actually wonder
this too. I haven’t tested it. I do not think they do, but I agree that maybe they should. You know, I’m gonna go test that because I’ve been wondering this myself and I’ve never actually looked into it. So thanks for the question,
I think that’s a good one. Narcotus asks, “Tesla
themselves said their batteries “cost $145 per kilowatt. “Since a semi needs 1,000 kilowatt hours, “how will they do that?” (coughs) Excuse me, sorry. Still getting over a cough. Yeah, I’m going with a higher breakthrough in the battery tech. The video I posted on Saturday about this covered that exact point. Yeah, so go take a look at
that. Thanks for the question. Another question, “Did you
hear about the Tesla Roadster “hitting zero to 60 in 1.3?” No. I don’t think so man. That’s insane. One of the big questions
about this by the way is whether or not it hits zero to 60 with the one foot of rollout,
which is the Motor Trends spec or from a dead stop, because that really can
make a big difference. Go check out the Engineering
Explained channel. The guys there do a great
job of breaking this down. Thanks for the question. Bernd asks, “What do you think
about the Model S facelift “for the current facelift
in two to three years?” Yeah, I think we’ll get
more with the battery tech. I don’t think we’re gonna
see a facelift in a while. I however am gonna do a facelift on my Model S with my friends up in LA at Unplugged Performance,
so stay tuned for that because I cannot wait. I’m trying to time it at
the same time I get my new Arachnid tires so you can
kind of have a full makeover. So stay tuned. I’m gonna have fun, and
we’re gonna do this– we’re trying to do it soon, I’m just waiting on those tires, so I’m gonna give those
guys a call actually as soon as we’re done here. Thanks for the question. All right, we’ve got a
couple more that came in. Michael asks, “Anyone
know about how many people “other than employees have
got the email to configure?” Man, it seems like
hundreds if not thousands. I don’t know if there’s
an official number. Mike asks, “Do you know anything
about the software glitch “associated with the
latest software update? “I lost my speed and
lane following control.” No, I don’t. Call Tesla
service for that for sure. That seems like a problem. I don’t have autopilot, I
have the drivers edition, so I’m not in that boat at all. All right guys, thank you
all for the questions. I appreciate the time here. If you aren’t on my email list
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where I breakdown the cost of certain other items in our world that are really kind of groundbreaking. So stay tuned for that
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  1. Great recap. On the larger batteries / slash model S and X potential upgrades, here's my thinking. S and X are long in the tooth now, especially as compared to Model 3. Tesla upgrades have traditionally been end of the calendar year pretty consistently. This year, nothing, so what happened? I think Model 3 going long surprised them and Fremont is busy dealing with scaling to full production. Everyone knows that. Nothing mysterious there. Where I get more hypothetical is vis a vis current reservation holders. Some people are getting a bit scared or impatient and switching to S and X orders. If I was Tesla, I would not put a damper on that. Let existing design S models sell themselves out to this crowd and then announce upgrades after model 3 production is moving in a generally smooth fashion. Based on that, I would guess we will see bigger batteries and higher charge rate for S and X sometime in the early Spring. My car is only one year old now and I will definitely upgrade it if large batteries and faster charging come to pass. Speaking just for myself, those are the last two items that separate it from being the ideal car for me. AP is of course a big deal, but that is on a critical path that is primarily legal and not technical imo. Everyone is different of course, but I like to drive 4.5 to 5 hour legs at 70+ mph when I'm traveling, so the minimum range that fits this ideal is somewhat over 425 miles to get 350 usable.

  2. another interesting and informative show. However, Ben you normally take pride that you are "not a car guy" and your talking of modding your S sounded very car guy ish. On the other hand if it is just a sneaky ad for a company i'd rather it was upfront. If its not and you genuinely wanted to put a body kit on your car its ultimately up to you. 🙂

  3. why didn`t you clearly debunk all the articles claiming tesla`s cash burn will render them broke by august 2018? whoever calculated that divided their cash reserves by their monthly expenses, NOT their monthly losses as it should have been done. I think it assumes they have a revenue of $0.00! it`s given all the haters something to moan about so they can ignore the world-changing semi-roadster announcement. it needs to be more clearly debunked! (yes I`m very pissed about all this actual "fake news")

  4. Ben, I believe you mentioned that you lost some footage when your computer crashed. I am very surprised that someone that is very tech-savvy as you are would not have a backup system in place to avoid this basic type of problem.

  5. I heard that you sit up higher in the Roadster. I'm pretty sure they stacked 2170 cells two high in the Roadster battery pack. Elon claimed that there was plenty of cargo space so I don't think they just stuffed the trunk with batteries.

  6. it is my hope that with new batteries and longer ranges there will be a glut of old 60's or 75's that have the 200ish mile and I can get into one of those ( I don't know how long I can wait for a 3 ) ps – Model 3 owners club said that the regen will activate the brake lights –

  7. You should put together a compilation video of all the times you can find of Bob Lutz being wrong about Tesla. Well, maybe cut it down to once a year, that video could be very long.

  8. Ben, I would like to see a calculation how many solar panels would be required (or how many SF) to cover all electricity need for a truck stop for Semis. You could throw in how many PowerPacks are needed as well. That would give us an idea how realistic the solar charging is in general. (I am still wondering why they don't do it for Superchargers?)

  9. Thanks for joining me today! Here are the timestamps for the stories from today's show. Don't forget to get on our email list at so you can join the discussion next week!

    // Tesla to Use Semi’s for Transport between Gigafactory and Fremont 1:50
    // Roadster 2 Color Picker 5:30
    // Tesla Breaking Laws of Physics with Battery Tech 7:00
    // SHORT – Negative Press Against Tesla 11:55
    // LONG – Tesla and Others Call for Ethical Cobalt Supply Chain 19:30
    // GLOBAL – Norway Ditching Tesla Tax 22:54
    // Q&A 26:05

  10. Whether it is with Sodium Metal or another platform, Elon has a handle on the battery, he is a battery / capacitor guy, after all.

  11. Product suppression is not new. For example, Microsoft usually offers vaporware to short-circuit competitors. Big Oil faces a major disruption so, regardless the direction, the naysayers are put-up jobs with one objective, suppress Tesla and EV adoption.

  12. Ben – Is it possible folks are over-thinking the truck charge time of 400 miles in 30 minutes. Imagine the truck has multiple 75 KwH Model 3 Battery packs. Tesla says a model 3 with the long range battery can achieve 170 miles of charge in 30 minutes. Maybe a Mega Charger is engineered to charge multiple batteries at the same time.

  13. Ok, napkin calc time. Using the Samsung INR21700-48G as my model 2170 battery, it is rated at 4.75AHr,
    3.7V nominal and weighs in at 75 grams. To get a 200kWHr battery pack, my quick calc shows at least
    11,380 batteries required. Pure battery component is thus 853,500 grams or 1881.6 pounds. Optimistically,
    the busses, frame, wiring and BMS circuits would be another 300 pounds. So, roadster battery pack
    physical size notwithstanding would be about 2100 to 2200 pounds. No enthusiast I know will buy a sports
    car that weighs more than 4000 pounds. Truth be known, that is already 400 pounds on the high side and
    not so much a sports car. So, Tesla roadster needs to be at most an 1800 pound vehicle for the entire works
    absent battery pack. Doable, but I have a hard time believing. I'm betting on another step past current
    21700 battery technology.

  14. One of your subscribers asked about the "phantom" battery drain video Bjørn posted. Please check Bjørn's pinned comment on that video where he posted a follow-up video explaining that this was a test of the worst case: someone constantly checking the car with an app. Under normal circumstances, leaving the car for long periods results in much lower phantom drain. Also note Bjørn says Teslas do not keep the battery warm when left in cold climes. This is because the battery will not be damaged by freezing temperatures.

  15. Just looked at the model 3 user guide. I note that it says "Model 3 does not currently support towing" a trailer. Sounds like that towing will be added in the future – probably with the AWD.

  16. Great Video! Love seeing a coherent argument against all these ridiculous bad press sorrouding one of the most revolutionary inventions in car technology!

  17. I really don't understand people who are so quick to say "no, no….impossible." Just because you can't do math. Don't mean the next person can't do it. Also, I've felt for awhile that Tesla was holding a trump card. They shared their platform. Don't expect them to share the battery tech. After all…competition is competition.

  18. But one major reason Apple is on 15% of the market worldwide is that of the price. Apple products are overpriced and not for the common man who refuses to pay $800+ for a flagship product.

  19. I didn't recall Elon saying or even insinuating that for the "3 truck convoy" the other two would be driverless? This seems highly improbable to me – more likely they would simply link up like an auto-drive system and just maintain distance / speed / route – thereby reducing drag and saving energy. I have to think regulations are far, far away from permitting 80,000lb trucks running down the highways without drivers?

  20. Taking foot off accelerator does show brake light. I'm guessing it's either just that directly or it may look at rate of negative acceleration.

  21. I think allot of investors and bashers are missing the point when it comes to Tesla's supposed unprofitably. If you focus purely on a monetary return then that is true but like Ben stated, Tesla is re investing their profits back in to the company and thats what you pay for in the stocks. What is money? Money is value given form or the representation of value; to reinvest that money is to convert that value in to assets that help produce more value so the money doesn't actualy disappear but changes from one form of value (monetary) to a different form of value (asset).

  22. In Europe, road tax, much more than €100 per year (rather, per month onbig cars), is the norm. Exceptions for zero emission cars apply.

  23. As far as TechCrunch article is concerned they said it themselves that this prediction has been made many times and they have been wrong every time. It's not different this time around.

  24. About the battery, I think that maybe someone came from the future and gave Elon Musk the new technology, this theory explains why none can understand it right now. Tesla is the future and everyone will follow.

  25. The iPhone may not have the market share but it definitely has the corner on profitability. I'm wondering if this might end up being Tesla.

  26. Hi Ben interesting show I believe tesla have a lot of tricks up their sleeve with battery tech and will deliver on the new roadster because it is small scale production for this car and they already have super capacitors figured out already, remember Elon studied in this field graphene products will supersede lithium ion products I think tesla has already done it yes it will be expensive to manufacture but the roadster price is already factored in to this new battery tech

  27. Elon promises, we wait.

    A bit off topic, but anyone know about the coast to coast autonomous drive this year promised last year?

    During a TED talk (Apr 2017), Musk reiterated that this demo drive is still planned for 2017:

    “November or December of this year, we should be able to go from a parking lot in California to a parking lot in New York, no controls touched at any point during the entire journey.”

  28. Blockchain will become a key technology in supply chain transparency. Already being applied in food commodity crops because there is so much counterfeit food. Particularly organic.

  29. A single Megacharger stall will take about 200000 square feet of solar panels.
    The claim is that it can add 400 miles of range in 30 minutes. At 2 kWh per mile, that is 800 kWh. Assuming 20 trucks using it in a day (a low estimate to call the truck a success), that is 16000 kWh.
    A good solar panel produces 400 W at noon on the summer solstice in Arizona. The sun's position in the sky greatly affects the performance, as does weather, dust and many other things. Let's generously assume averaging 200 W for eight hours. That is 1.6 kWh per panel.
    Therefore we need 10,000 solar panels PER charging stall. A single panel is 18 square feet. For a grand total of 180,000 square feet of solar panels PER stall.

    I am excited about moving to more solar power, but that doesn't seem realistic.

  30. Very well said, Ben. Thank you for working hard to help others realize how short sighted they may be in not seeing how Tesla is working towards impacting the world in a positive way, and will prevail in being a wildly successful company in the process.

    We are betting on Elon (and his brilliant lead designer), and I think he is worth betting on and investing in.

  31. Amazon wasn't profitable in 1999. Look up the 60 Minutes interview with Jeff Bezos. They were predicting Amazon's failure because they didn't own as many books as Borders or something. Tesla has a bigger plan based on storage technology and efficiency of the electric motor. Dinosaurs can't see the big rock coming.

  32. BTW Ben there is no breakthrough in battery in my opinion . The fast charging of the semi is based on the fact that you have 1 MWR battery . Think about the number of cells determine the safe charging of a vehicle. In my view the only breakthrough is cost per KWR

  33. Ben, it wasn't that cold in San Diego today. I still wore shorts and a t-shirt. It wasn't that cold! But nice jacket!!

  34. Hi Ben, where are the timestamps? I like your videos but they are too long for me, so timestamps would help greatly. Thanks 🙂

  35. Tesla will not go bankrupt, period. Most people think of Tesla as an automobile company. I, however, think of them as an energy company. Think about the energy business they are in. With the biggest battery factory in the world, they can build batteries in pretty much any format, from AAA that powers your kid's toys to 100MW battery field that can power up the entire South Australia. Not to mention the charging stations ecosystem that they already have, which can probably be opened up for charging other vehicles if they want to. It will be just like gas stations for them. But wait, that's not the end, there are also the solar roof and Elon's Boring Company. I don't pretend to be an expert in Tesla, but I am guessing that those are the pieces for building out their grander ecosystem, or a.k.a "The Master Plan".

  36. It could be another step in technology, a research company (sorry cant remember which) has hinted at solid state batteries that can charge stupidly fast so it could be something along those lines

  37. @ TeslanomicsBS , print("I seem to remember Elon being pretty into the idea of 'super capacitors' back in college… Seems like they would make a fairly fitting piece to the puzzle of the physics breaking batteries")

  38. According to Huawei and Tencent engineers I know iPhone is about 4 years ahead of Android phones, how to tell? Apple can sell them for over 30% profit while Android manufacturers are mostly selling them for loss as the technology is old. If you take the plain phone iPhones are expensive, but investments in security and ecosystem make the biggest difference. Now the playing field is even more tilted towards Apple. You can pretty much buy a comparable iPhone for the same price as an Android phone, you will get iPhone 6s, but it still has the newest OS, and that's what counts, the hardware is still more than adequate. Measuring marketshare is misleading, again, what bugs the Android market the most is there are lot of used iPhones in the market with the latest OS and also cheap parts. Android phones on the other hand are made to be disposable and might be problematic to recycle but nobody cares, they are cheap like milk. Apple has passed the 1 billion active iOS devices mark and that means the services will now start producing more money, in Microsoft way.

  39. That Norwegian proposed tax was just a ploy by the two largest parties in the coalition to give the smaller parties something to fight against. That way the latter would have a small victory but would have to concede something else. Besides it was based on no research what so ever. Anyone who knows anything about wear and tear on our roads have come out and said that anything smaller than a truck, and with truck they mean vehicles with axle loads of 6 to 24 tons (the heaviest Tesla has an axle load of about 1.8 tons), does not cause wear on the roads. In addition you have studded tires for normal cars, which a lot of people still use. They have an extra tax (which should be higher) if you live in Oslo (I don't know about the other larger cities in Norway). Arild Ragnøy lead engineer at the Department of Roads (for lack of an official English translation) says (my translation): It is irrelevant how many regular cars use the roads. Only heavy transport wears down the roads. And by that I do not mean cars with one or two tons of axle load, rather 50-ton rigs with axle loads of more than eight tons. This is a paradox given that people with regular cars are the ones paying for the roads.

  40. I don't see why an 80% charge in thirty minutes for the Semi shouldn't be possible. Battery packs are modular so it is surely just how you distribute the input that counts or am I over simplifying this?

  41. the megacharger tech will not come to model s/x because in fact the 1,6MW/h charging for a 1MWh battery is not "faster" than the normal supercharging for a 100kWh battery. the limit of how fast a battery can charge (without degrading it) is mainly determined by its capacity as a whole, so called C-Rate which is defined as current/capacity. most battery cells can pretty much withstand charging with 1-2 C (so 100-200 kW for Model S, 1-2MW for the Semi). charging a model S (100) with 1,6M will light it's cooling sysetm on fire, literally, while irreversibly damaging or completely destroying the battery. (16 C is not physically possible for current batteries)

  42. Here is the 3 new solutions I think the new roadster is hiding under the hood. – a second batteripack in dubble layers under the front trunk (front)  would help tp understand both the space for the 200kw in a low low car and the extra weight and grip to front tires to enable 1,9sek.  If a 15-20% improvement of batterieteck combined with and a new 2 motor construction that allow where the batteripack to continue under the 2 motors to the end of the car because the 2 motors is not connected but can be  placed over the batteries partly fitted into the waist-design of the Roadster solving a 3th problem that the effectivity of transferring power from1  Motor direkt to 1 week with out a sensitive differential and complicated 2motor gearbox.  – that would explain the new Roadster Specification and explain the lack af space for backseat passenger and the fronk was not opened durring the presentation.  the classical tesla skateboard design is changes to a new construction where 3 motors allow for a full car-flor batterie with a normal 3-4 year batterie improvement at 15-20%

  43. my reaction to tesla trash-talk is: who you gonna trust: some oil-funded talking heads with neckties, or the guy whose side business is fricking rocket science?

  44. The limitation when it comes to charging isn't the total amount of energy put into the battery. It's the power applied to a certain unit of capacity. kW / kWh as it were. So going from 0% to 80% (400 mile) in 30 minutes IS feasible because we already see it in other Tesla cars.

  45. I guess a solar array of about two football fields in size is required to generate 1MW, or 10-16 MWh per day, enough to fully charge 10-16 trucks per day, with a battery requirement of around 20 MWh.
    As numbers pick up, then area and storage capacity would need to increase to match demand – this shouldn't be difficult in the US with so much land available, but could be an issue in Europe.
    A nice thing is that excess energy could be exported to grid when charging stations are idle and the onsite battery is full.

  46. i don't think there is any new tech in the Semi battery. 30 min to charge 400 mile is like for the model s 30 min to charge 170 miles. the battery is just way bigger. even if you have a 1000 kwh battery, it will take 30 min to charge from 0 to 70. you just need a lot of power = megacharger

  47. Hi Ben,
    Thanks for another great show.
    Just heard a viewers question about how big the solar arrays might be to support the megachargers?
    I'm surprised we have not already seen more conjecture on this subject already I personally see this as a massive opportunity for tesla to partner with haulage and logistics providers to establish dominance in commercial rooftop solar. When you think about the operation that the trucking customers work from you will see that they work out of massive distribution centres with colossal expanses of rooftop which could be utilised for harnessing solar. Tesla could package deals with customers like Walmart to provide a mega charger and rooftop solar along with a fleet of semi trucks to operate out of these locations which would cement a relationship that locked that client into a long term holistic transport solution. What do you think?

  48. I seem to remember at the start of the gigafactory Elon forecasting economy of scale enabling $100 kWh. It certainly looks like they expect a significant improvement in energy density too.
    It's interesting the proposed 'Tesla killers' all seem to have the 2017 Tesla in their sights. From what we're seeing they're going to be way off target for the 2020 Tesla.

  49. You really need to do some calcs on battery size based on Model 3 battery. Some of my calcs show 30 kWh/sq.m of battery. 4.232 gms/Wh for the cells. 5.0 gms/Wh for the modules, and 6.133 gm/Wh for the battery. Due to larger size, we should see Roadster and Semi batteries break 6 gm/Wh for the battery. Semi 500 mile battery is likely 2.4 metres across the truck and 1.8 metres along the truck. While, the battery packaging is different, a pack of this area needs 8 layers of cells with 127.6 kWh per layer (total 1021 kWh). Roadster may have two or three layers of cells at the same densities – say 1.3 x 1.75 metres. For 2 layers of cells, the battery area would be ~1.5×2.27 metres.

  50. I find the media attitude towards Tesla in the US bizarre. As Jay Leno has pointed out – this is a new American industrial company, producing an American car (though palatable to the rest of the world), produced in America, by Americans, earning union level wages – and it's difficult to picture someone more American than Jay Leno :-). Isn't this what 'the orange one' is always harping on about? Oh and regarding profitability, how about the auto-industry's endless implicit subsidies, GM's various bailouts or just talk to some poor bugger from Detroit. It's even more mystifying from the EU side of the pond. Like most people I know, I would never have even contemplated buying an American car before Tesla came along because they just don't stack up against European and Asia makes (see GMs descent through lack of R&D investment). If these are the kind of things Tesla is trying to do with a balance sheet stacked against them, I'd hate to be a competitor in Mr M's crosshairs when there's lots of M3s sold and plenty wonga in the bank.

  51. I'm to add for this shit lots of things lots of stuff im cold I live in the mountains I'm sorry I like pizza my favorite dog is orange if you follow me I won a car thanks I love trees and air I like black cars here is a pencil that's the same color but man did I tell you about the red what about the green ewww I was going to stop carbs but changed my mind

  52. 50% of smart phone users that want an Iphone simply cant afford one or do not have access to one.. I cant tell you how many people try to buy my Iphone 5 when I travel around the world. There are many countries that have Zero access to the iPhone. What is amazing is it is almost impossible to find humans anywhere on earth that do not know what an Iphone is. Often the CHEAPEST iphone you can buy new is over $800 us when you can buy an new Android devise for as little as $100 US.

  53. The problem with your long is. Whenever westerners want to control resources they villainize the country or countries that hold that resource. Cobalt, Oil , Lithium…..Life is very difficult in most of Africa. Raw resources are taken out at pennies on the dollar wile basic necessities like water are used for export goods and not for the people that live there. A better solution would be to invest in better more humane mining facilities. See to it that workers are paid a decent wedge. Were there is a will there is a way. Boycotting only effects the poor. The wealthy will ALWAYS have what they need. Doing the right thing will raise the price of products for all of us. Most likely when western companies hold the title in the Congo child labor stories will disappear but the problem wont go away. Its been like this for hundreds of years.

    Any Dimond you buy people died to get it to you and 99% of the time its real market value is 1/4 of what you paid discounted retail. Don't believe me try to get cold hard cash for that diamond you own.

  54. Youtoube from a guy with a parka on in San Diego …Doesn't have a floor heater because can't find a 60,000 Tesla one .

  55. The Government should put on a electric tax at the Tesla charging stations. As a road tax. Or else what's going to pay for the repair of the roads to get the Congo Cobalt to the Tesla plant in the make believe utopia.

  56. Question… How many barefoot black people in the Congo working as ISIS mine slaves does it take to produce the Cobalt for your model X ?

  57. This is going to be some funny shit to watch in the coming years. As the save the planet idiots realize that there's less Lithium and Cobalt than oil and coal.

  58. When's Musk going to get the poor barefoot Black kid in the Congo mining cobalt for the battery's a number for the roadster ?

  59. Good complain the iPhone. They just usedvanlig what allready usedvanlig what allready existed and made a complete product. Tesla also do this. The way to go is to make a complete product that breaks limits og that people know is possible. The strange things is why the old established companies did not ho this way. Good video 👍

  60. E.on have just launched a new rapid charger that can charge at 150kwh now and up to 350kwh with a firmware update as the demand requires and plans to install 10000 across europe by 2020
    also Is fisker not talking about solid state battery tech within 5 years

  61. Kongo and US are not the only places cobalt is produced in. It is being produced in many other countries (also here in Finland), though in most places, it seems, by the chinese. Environmentally they are doing alot of good, but their track record concerning human rights is not exactly stellar. With enough hype in sustainable tech, noone is going to force them to respect human rights everywhere they operate, because everyone just want their gadgets at a low price. However, the chinese are people too, and they have emotions and empathy just like everybody else. With the middle class growing there and becoming more conscious about the world affairs, they could start demanding more ethical economy too. Meanwhile it is welcome news that Tesla and Apple are doing something about this. But the problem is in Africa. Most countries in there are so unregulated that the temptation for foreigners to take advantage of these people is huge. In time perhaps solar panels and batteries will make a difference in Africa, increasing their wealth and self-sustainability, stabilising the continent.
    Is it really so, that in order for business to be profitable, someone innocent always has to suffer?

  62. Ben: you have the best Tesla coverage… no pap, given crisply and intelligently.

    Re: brake lights when slowing w/regen: I have a Chevy Bolt, and discovered by accident (BY accident, not IN an accident!) that my brake lights do come on when regen is active… I cannot imagine Tesla would do otherwise.

    It was nearly dark… I lifted my foot from the accelerator, started to slow, and looked in my side view mirror. The car behind me did not yet have lights on… I could see the reflection of the red glow of my brake lights in the reflectors of the headlight lenses of the car behind me. Not only did I see them light up, but I noticed them drop to a lower intensity if I did not brake heavily… that is to say, if I still had my foot on the accelerator pedal just a bit. It seemed to work quite well, not coming on unless the deceleration was rapid enough that the driver behind me should be alerted.

    Incidentally, a good friend with a Tesla Model 3 was down from Fremont over the Thanksgiving holiday, and took me for an exhilarating spin in his "3". (I suspect he might not want me to mention his name… Tesla can get kind of touchy about what employees reveal about features and/or tech). I did notice my Bolt has one really great feature his Model 3 does not… I would be interested to know if any Teslas have "night vision" rear view mirrors, as my Bolt does. I did not realize how much better I would like it than a standard mirror.

    The rear view mirror looks much like an ordinary mirror, except a bit heftier due to the electronics hidden inside. The mirror has a kind of switch below that toggles between a conventional mirror and the camera display which is housed in the same assembly.

    The camera for the rear view is mounted on the very rear of the car below a lip that helps to protect it from drips, sun glare, etc. As it is on the REAR of the car, whenever tall passengers, large cargo, etc., would block the view when using the conventional mirror; the view when using the camera mode is unobstructed.

    Similar for my dark-tinted rear window— trying to see traffic in the rear at night is inhibited if trying to use the mirror, but not with the camera system.

    Another advantage of the camera display system is that it has a narrower range of brightness at all times, day or night— it never blinds you with the glare of headlights at night, yet you can usually see details of the cars, street lanes, signs etc., quite easily. Like any computer or cell phone display, the display screen never gets so bright as to offend the eyes.

    During daytime, the display shows accurate colors, just as the mirror would. But as the sun sets, there is a point where it seamlessly begins to show everything in shades of gray— no color… very similar to how the human eye sees color during the day, but not at night, due to the differences between the rods and cones in our retinas.

    When trying to use the conventional mirror at night, all you can see is headlights and other bright lights… no meaningful context. Night vision is far more preferable and should be optional on all vehicles.

    The camera system has another big advantage— rear view mirrors are hampered by B and C pillars; the camera is not. And the camera angle is wide enough to very effectively assist in eliminating blind spots.

    When I am finally trading in my Bolt for a Tesla, I hope such a rear view camera is available.

    Thanks again for your excellent blogging.

  63. Musk did say that Tesla is a drama queen compared to Space X. That is the undeniable trade of of going publicly traded company.

  64. I'm sure you don't read all your comments, but I'm so happy you're getting the black on black roadster, as it is my dream car too. Where in the US do you live?

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