Is Suspension On Road Bikes Just A Gimmick? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 68


(bassy explosions) – Welcome to the GCN Tech Show. – This week, we’ve got loads of new tech. New bikes, custom shades, the bike vault, your upgrade, plus our main talking point, is suspension on road
bikes just a gimmick? Can of worms, that jon. – It is a can of worms. – Can of worms. – How many times can we say can of worms? (Ollie laughs) (upbeat music) – Hot tech now. And we’re gonna begin
with a brand new bike. Check this out. This is the Parlee RZ7 aero bike. You ready for this? – Wow! – [John] Take a look at That! What do you reckon of it? – [Ollie] I like it. I think it’s really tidy. I used to own a Parlee, actually. The previous aero bike model to this one, which was called the ESX. You can’t buy it anymore,
but you can get it in Zwift. – [John] All right. So, you have to buy it
with your sweat droppers? – You do, yeah. (both laugh) But I mean, I think it’s a
really nice looking bike. It looks really cool.
But I have to say, if you took off the Parlee logo and replaced it with an S-Works logo. – Oh, dear. – These aero bikes are all
starting to look very similar. – Morphing into one sort
of shape aren’t they? I quite like the aerodynamic disc calliper fairings on it as well. – Yeah, they’re very cool. – [John] Were they the first people to, I think they were, weren’t they? – [Ollie] They did it on
their TTiR time trial bike. The one we saw at Eurobike
a couple of years ago. The fairings on that. – [John] It does look good. And it’s all about integration
on that bike, innit? You can’t really see one cable. All I could see on it
was just one DI2 cable was just popping out the rear end. – Yeah, the stem looks
pretty cool as well. – Nice looking bike, that. – But, we got some other new bikes. – Oh, yeah? – Yeah, take a look at these! These are two new bikes from Look! (Ollie laughs) – You had to do it, didn’t you? – Yeah, sorry. – [John] The 765 Gravel RS, which is Look’s first gravel bike. And then, we’ve got the E-765 Gravel, which is Look’s first E-gravel bike. And they’re gonna sit along side the 765 Optimum E-road bike. That’s quite a mouthful, innit? – Yeah, there’s a lot of
E numbers going on there. Reads like the back of a
packet of Sunny Delight. But they are bikes. They’re both carbon fibre frame bikes. And the E-bike version has
the 250 watt Fazua motor. The same one that was in
the Pinarello Nytro E-bike that Lloydy rode in a previous video. But for more details, stay tuned. Cuz we are gonna be doing a first look video on both those bikes. Pretty cool. – I look forward to that. More new bike news at Walmart. Yeah, that’s right, Walmart. They’ve launched a new
bike brand, haven’t they? Viathon. Now, despite that rather
robotic sounding name, I have to say. They are going to be releasing bikes within three different genres. So, we’re going to have road,
gravel, and mountain bike. And the finishing kit
is going to be coming from brands such as Fizik, FSA, and Zipp. So, expect some pretty
good things from them. – [Ollie] Yeah, they’re going all out. I mean, the bikes are set to retail between $2,300 and $6,000. So, these are premium bikes. And the other thing is the frames are not open mould from China or Taiwan. They actually own and
design their own moulds for these bikes as well. So, they’re a pretty premium product. – [John] And, of course, Walmart, they know a thing or two
about cycling, don’t they? Because they invested in Rapha previously. I’m looking forward to seeing things. – Yeah, I think they look cool. – Right, more tech later. (bassy booms) – Onto our main talking point now, which is is suspension
on road bikes a gimmick? Now, Paris-Roubaix has just finished. The dust has settled on the cobbles. An amazing race, it never disappoints. Not just from a racing
perspective, though, but also from a tech perspective, bike brands often use
the Hell of the North to showcase the latest and greatest endurance bike models with built-in comfort features such
as, well, suspension. – And we can look back in
time, because road bikes with suspension have actually been around for quite some time. Many of you, though, will
just remember when Team Sky used the Pinarello K8S, I
think it was, back in 2015. And while your jaws probably dropped at the mere thought of it,
the first mountain bikes, well, they didn’t have suspension. And they were literally bone shakers. But once those forks had been developed, some road teams though to themselves, “Maybe these would be quite good to use in the cobble classics. Paris-Roubaix in particular.” – They did. Well, Rock Shox made a
limited number of road forks. Maybe it would catch on. And, in fact, two time winner,
Gilbert Duclos-Lassalle, was given permission to use
the forks by his manager, Roger Legeay, on the
condition that Greg LeMond was allowed a pair as well. – I love that. A marketeer knowing
that LeMond would bring all of the publicity to the team. Yeah, that’s right. So, Duclos-Lassalle, he used them way back in 1992 to victory. A year later, at the race,
and I remember reading an article in Road Bike
Action in 1993 all about this, Paul Turner of Rock Shox
was literally harassed by half the pe-li-ton to use the forks. So, he had a couple of mechanics there who would go around
all of these old school cycling teams fitting these
futuristic forks onto bikes, running into all sorts
of different problems. But hey, his job was done. – Yeah, well, they were lighter than the mountain bike forks. And they also had a cool
lock-out mechanism on the back. And there was also quite
a trick titanium steer on them as well. But, Cannondale and Bianchi
also tried to latch onto this and experiment with their
own suspension designs. But it didn’t really catch on. – Should we have a look at a minute? I’ve got a couple of pictures here. – Yeah. – So, let’s have a quick,
cheeky little look through. – [Ollie] Right, there’s the Bianchi. – [John] There’s the
Bianchi full suspension. Look at that rear shock. There’s those Rock Shox.
Nice, aren’t they? Again, that full suspension
from a different angle. – This must have looked
so futuristic in 1994. The interesting thing for
me on these bikes, though, is that it’s that thing. Do you know the anecdote
about the NASA spending millions and millions of
pounds developing a pen that can write in zero gravity? – Yeah, I’ve got one.
It didn’t work. Well, I tried it under water. – And then, the Russians
just took a pencil. It’s a bit like that. You look at these bikes and
they do all this engineering on the frame with the suspension. But then, they’re riding
21 millimetre tyres? – [Ollie] Look at that Cannondale with that head shock. Do you remember those old head shocks? – [John] I just can’t imagine there’s much travel there. I mean, let’s not forget as well, Trek, they released a
bike with a rear shock, which George Hincapie used
back in 2005, I think. – [Ollie] Yeah, it
didn’t end well, did it? – [John] Nope. And also, suspension stems, too, that we saw over the
years in various guises. Well, they didn’t really
stick around much either. – [Ollie] No, and it was
quite interesting to see, especially for the most
part of the last 20 years, that the pros just abandoned
suspension completely, and bike brands did too. And they just sort of returned to, well, double wrapped bar tape. (John laughs) – [John] A few years back,
we saw the afore mentioned K8S being used by Team Sky
with those Pinarello bikes. And well, it didn’t really catch on. And we also had the Future Shock on Specialised Roubaix models. And, again, it didn’t
really catch on that well. And in fact, I have heard
rumours that even some riders were using it, but completely locked out. So, they weren’t that big fans of it. – Yeah, but this year, we did
see a modified new version of the Specialised Roubaix with an updated Future Shock system that,
crucially, now has a lock out. And also, we saw the
new Pinarello Dogma FS, which has suspension front and rear. And it’s a smart suspension. But, for more detail on
that, we have a video on the channel the Lloydy did. So, check that out. – [John] Yeah, it makes you wonder if these bikes will be more popular with those traditional
cyclists who want a bike with a little bit more comfort,
but still look the part, if you see what I mean. They don’t look over
the top like those bikes which we just showed on
the screen moments ago. Which, quite frankly, looked
like a big barrel of springs likely to explode or something. – Yeah, but the other thing to point out with the new Roubaix is that
three out of the top five riders at Roubaix this
year, including the winner, used that bike. However, if you fancy something different for drop bar rough
riding, there’s been a lot of tech advancements and
new products come out in recent years. So, Lauf Forks spring to mind. – Oh, I see what you did there. (John laughs) – Sy took took them too Iceland last year. And they have these glass
fibre springs in there that give 30 millimetres of travel. Very unique looking. – [John] Certainly nothing else that looks like that, is there? – [Ollie] No, no. – [John] Also, if this
year’s Sea Otter Show, which has literally just
happened, is anything to go by, then well, some of you may
actually remember last year, back on The Tech Show,
I think episode #17. – [Ollie] Before my time. – [John] Yeah, good memory. Yeah, it was, actually! God, you’ve been here ages! We actually took a look at
Niner’s Magic Carpet Ride bike, which was a 3-D printed plastic model. This year, though, it’s
really turning into reality. It’s a rideable bike with
40 mil travel at the front and 50 at the rear. It’s kind of like an old school full suspension mountain
bike with drop bars. Basically, that’s what it
is I’m describing, I guess. – I really like the
versatility of suspension. And it’s great to see that these systems are being continually improved,
especially with lock outs. But ultimately, does
anything beat the sensation of riding a really light, stiff bike on a perfectly smooth road? – No. But we rarely actually
experience that ourselves, do we? – Fair.
Especially on our roads. – However, let’s face it, mate. History has shown, although,
that back in ’92 and ’93, two major races were won using suspension. It didn’t catch on. You know, the K8S that was used, sadly, that didn’t catch on. Is this the moment that
we turn a new leaf? – I don’t know. I’m not convinced. I think, ultimately, if I could own all the top end bikes I wanted, then yes, I would definitely have one that had suspensions fitted to it. But, realistically speaking, most people are only gonna have one top end bike. At which point are you gonna go for one that is slightly heaver,
slightly more expensive because it has suspension built in to it? – [John] I don’t want to start seeing Roubaix being won just
because someone has got this ultimate bike just to go across it. I still want it to be that challenge. The physical side of it, rather than the tech
side that wins the race. – That’s a good point, actually. Roubaix isn’t supposed to be easy, is it? – No. – That’s the whole point. The reason why we love it
is because the cobbles hurt, and it’s really hard. And I think any time
they get a bike where if, in the future, we have these amazing bikes that just allow the riders to glide with impunity over the cobbles. – An armchair ride. – It’s just gonna be rubbish! – Yeah, it’ll take away
the spectacle, in my eyes. So, let’s home they don’t go putting 150 mil shocks on bikes and stuff. Just my thoughts. – Well, we want to know
what you think as well. So, let us know in the
comments section down below. – Is suspension on road
bikes just a gimmick? Get involved. (bassy explosions) – More tech of the week now. And first up is the news that SRAM has acquired PowerTap,
the PowerMeter brand. Does that mean we’re going to see some PowerPedals from SRAM? Who knows. – Yeah, it’ll be interesting, actually, what they’re gonna do with this. Because SRAM have never
made a pedal, have they? – No, but you’d assume that PowerTap has a lot of pedal patents. – That’s not easy to say, is it? – Like a tongue twist. (both laugh) – Anyway, back to Paris-Roubaix now. And Ollie can testify this, because you went out there, didn’t you? Or, in the lead up to it last week. – Off to Roubaix. I’ve got a date with Sags? – Bit weird sounding, that. The Sag? – (imitating accent) For
me, it’s gonna be great. – Don’t do that, please. You didn’t tell me how the
date went with Mr. Sagan. But I’m sure you will at some point. – A gentleman never tells. – There were go. Anyway, there’s not many hacks and botches used on bikes these days, is there? – No, there isn’t, actually. Less than I’ve seen in previous years when I’ve been there for sure. – But I’ve been scouring
around the pictures. And well, let’s talk
about some of the things which we’ve spotted. Firstly, White Van Aert,
the cyclo-cross superstar, he’s not bad on the road either, really? – He’s all right, yeah. – He had a pretty good race. Bit of bad luck, but he
still did extremely well. Well, get this. He was using a single one of
those cross top break levers. Now, it’s surprising he’s opted for that because he’s so used to
riding on terrible surfaces. – [Ollie] The other interesting thing was there was confusion that that
actually wasn’t his bike, and it was a teammate’s bike. Which you may have read in the commentary. That was wrong.
That is his bike. The numbering on the bikes
was wrong, apparently. That’s what we’ve heard. – Oh, right, okay. – There ya go.
– Well, there we are. – And also, we discussed last week how Mads Pedersen from
Trek was using Wom-bye on his SRAM AXS Groupset
at the Tour of Flanders. And in Roubaix, he was also
seen using Wom-bye again. – [John] Yeah, in fact,
not just that, Ollie. He’s whole team were using Wom-bye there. This is gonna create a bit of a storm with the people out
there who love Wom-bye. But, the benefit I see of
using a double chain set in something like Roubaix
is that if you’re chain was to dislodge, you’ve got
another chain ring there, or your front rail to bring
it back on to the chain ring without having to stop or anything. But they were using chain catches. And while I didn’t hear any reports of their chains coming off either. So, that is great to see, innit? Especially in the roughest
roads of northern France. – The squad of Deceuninck-Quick-Step weren’t taking any chances
with punctures in Roubaix. And to put what I’m about
to say into context, there’s a video we did on
Pete Sagan’s bike for Roubaix. If you’ve not watched it,
watch it after this one. And in that video, I
explained how the bike has no levers on the thru axles. To remove the thru axle from the bike and do a wheel change, the mechanics have a drill with a six
mil allen key built in, and the *frzzz* like a sort
of Formula One pit gun. – [John] With sound effects. – [Ollie] Yeah, and people
commented on that video saying, “Well, if I buy the bike,
how can I change my wheels? I don’t have that thing.” Or what happens if Sagan gets a puncture? He can’t take a wheel off a teammate. Well, he can. You just need a six
mil Allen key with you, and that’s all you need. But, thinking of that,
the Deceuninck mechanics, they strapped six mil
Allen keys to the seat post of all the rider’s bikes
so they could do just that. – Yeah, but get this. So, all of that was done,
all this forward thinking. Great bit of forward thinking, really. Sadly, none of them
actually got to show off their mechanic skills. Because get this, none
of the riders from either Bora-Hansgrohe or Deceuninck Quick-Step had a puncture in Roubaix, which
is quite incredible, innit? – Yeah, that’s interesting. Says a lot. They were using Special 30
millimetre S-Works tyres. – [John] Hell of the North. Right, remember those
pretty cool ROKA Sunglasses last week with Niki Terpstra’s
Cobble Classic Specials? – The dipped ones. – Well, get this. A mate of mine, he’s treated
himself to a couple of pairs of these Oakley’s Flight
Jackets from Optique Van Gorp over there in Belgium. And check out these Flight Jackets. Alistair, apologies in
advance if he scratches them. But thank you so much
for loaning them to me. But, yeah, they are exactly the same. So, you’ve got Tour of Flanders
special edition ones here. – [Ollie] I like these. – Well, you’re not having them. And also we’ve got some
Paris-Roubaix cobbles too. They look cool, don’t they? – [Ollie] Nice. – I don’t know what I look like in them. Do you know I’ve got a
Lion of Flanders tattoo? Seriously, I have. I used to get some really weird looks in changing rooms in Belgium,
thinking maybe I’d won it. But, I’ve never won it. Anyway, more tech next week (power drill) (cash register ding) – It’s now time Screw Riding
Upgrades, Buy Upgrades where you submit before and after media. – Yeah, good use of words. – Of your upgrades with a chance
to win the ultimate prize, the GCN apron/cape, caperon. Is it a cape?
Is it an apron? – One of the two.
– We just don’t know. – Well, we got some news,
actually now, don’t we? – Yeah, but it’s some good news, I reckon. – Yeah. – Go on, tell ’em. – Right. So, this is the last time a
caperon is being given away. – Yep, it’s true. – Because we got a new prize. It’s now gonna be a GCN ass saver. – Yeah, enough gettin’ soaked on the way into work this morning. I wish I had one on the back of myself. – Yeah, the end of an era, though. But you can still buy the
caperon in the GCN shop. – That’s shop.globalcyclingnetwork.com. Anyway, we need to announce the last ever winner of the caperon. – We do, yeah.
Who was it? – It was between Jeff’s
mercs and Dave’s shed. Winning with 52% of the
vote, a very, very close one. – It’s gotta be the mercs, innit? – No, it was Dave’s shed. – Dave’s shed? – Dave’s shed.
– Dave’s shed. – Yep, Dave’s shed. – Who voted for that? – Well, 52% of the viewers.
The viewers don’t lie. – Well, Dave, in your shed, I hope you make use of your caperon. Also, BBQ season is coming soon. – Oh, that is true, actually. I do like a BBQ. – Have a barbie. – All right, so get in touch on Facebook to arrange delivery of the last ever one to be won on the show. Anyway, right, we need to go on to this week’s contenders, don’t we? – I hope Dave can catch. – Hit Dave. First up this week is Bastian from Dijon in Burgundy in France. Bastian’s neighbour gave him
this Bianchi frame for free, with a carbon fork, carbon handlebars, and a carbon seat post. Bastian started looking for
a groupset and wheel set, and wanted to keep the bike fully Italian. So, Campagnolo was chosen. Some Super Records, some Chorus, and a Campagnolo Scirocco wheel set. Bastian built everything by himself, finished it off with elite
Bianchi bottles and cages. Total cost €1,000, and
turned a cheap alloy bike into an 8.3 kilogramme cool bike. There’s the frame before. – So, that’s the starting point. – Yep, it’s a 2006 Bianchi
SL3 Reparto Course, or something like that. And that’s the afterwards. – It’s nice, that. – It’s nice, but that bar tape. – That bar tape. – Okay, it’s not Bike
Vault, so we’ll go easy. – It’s a hell of a transformation. – Yeah, isn’t it?
Nice touch. Nice work. – And for the money that’s gone into that, that’s an incredible piece of work. – Right, go on, then. – Well, next up, we’ve got Craig who’s from Doncaster in the UK, which means we may be related, Craig. (John laughs) Anyway, Craig has just
finished his conversion of his old TT bike to an aero road bike – Oh, fast! – On the lowest budget possible. Lots of late nights on eBay.
– I can relate to that. – A couple of bits from Wiggle and a few from Planet X, just
down the road in Rotherham. All in, including the
cost of the original bike, just 392 of the Queen’s English Pounds. – Bargain hunt! – Craig says, “It’s not cutting edge, but for the money, it rides
amazingly well and fast.” – That’s before, that old Ribble TT bike. – Look at this.
– Boom! – Bit of paint as well.
Lick of paint. – Hang on, 392?
What wheels were on it before? The same wheels?
Let’s go back. No, how did get all that for £392? – Well, he’s from Donny.
Probably stolen. Anyway, I can say that
cuz I am from Doncaster. – But, that’s bangin’.
That looks really good. – That is, isn’t it. – I’m gonna try and get
back up at some point. So, hope to see you on the Hatfield 10 mile TT course, Craig. You’ll probably beat me. (Ollie laughs) – Right, whose it gonna
be then, Bastian or Craig? You decide. Vote up there, top right hand corner. I know who he’s gonna vote for. – Well, obviously Craig. – Yeah, I’m gonna vote for Bastian. It’s that Bianchi, it’s nice! And it’s not in that colour. (bassy explosions) Right, Bike of the Week time now. The moment of the show
where you get to vote for your favourite bikes
that we pick, head to head. So, first up, we need to actually announce last week’s winner, don’t we? It was between the BH of Burgos BH Team. And also, the Gios of
team Manzano Postabon – (imitating accent) Manzna Postobon. – The colour me outfit. One of my favourite
squads, actually, that. And winning with 52% of the votes was the Gios of Manzana Postabon. – 52%.
– Yeah, again 52%. – That sounds familiar. – Yeah, yeah. Anyway, this week, we’ve got
the new Specialised Roubaix with it’s updated Future Shock. And vs. the new Pinarello Dogma FS. So, two suspension road bikes. Sticking with our main
talking point theme. Which one, though, do
you think is the nicest? – One full suspension,
and one front suspension. Big difference, is there? You decide up there. (bassy explosions) Bike Vault time now. The moment of the show where we rate your submissions of your
bicycles, your prides and joy, either nice or super nice. So, if you’ve got a bike you wanna submit, make sure you use the
uploader tool down below. And who knows, maybe, just
maybe, it’ll go into the show. We get literally thousands
each and every week. And it’s a pretty hard job, actually, for us to pick ’em out. – It is. And what happens, Ollie, if
they get rated super nice? – That’s the bell, innit? – Yeah, do you wanna ring it this week? – No.
– Okay, not a problem. Right, start us off, then, Ollie, – [Ollie] (imitating accent)
First up, we have got this, which is from Ryan in Liverpool. Ryan has got a single speed, fixie Ribble. Look at that. – [John] What are you doing? (Ollie laughs) – [Ollie] That’s my Ringo voice. What do you reckon of that, John? – [John] Well, that’s a
nice lookin’ fixie, there. So, it’s a road bike that’s obviously been converted into a fixie. Importantly, it’s got
breaks, so it’s legal. Do you know, those bikes were
so popular early-mid ’90s. Everyone had one. And it’s outside the Liver Building. – [Ollie] Right, he’s gone
all out there, hasn’t he? – [John] Yeah, he’s
pulled my heart strings. He knows I’m a big Liverpool fan. – Have you got a ticket for
the quarter-final, Ryan? – Dunno, but something he is gonna get is a ring of the bell! (bell rings) Ryan, get in, one, nil. Next up is Millard from
San Diego in California. Millard has got a Viner Maxima 3.0. Oh, that’s a nice
lookin’ bike then, innit? – [Ollie] FSA bars, yeah. – [John] Looks like one
of those SMP saddles with a slight nose dip on it. – [Ollie] I think that’s
an old team bike, isn’t it? – [John] Yeah, it is, yeah. – [Ollie] That’s an old
Christina Watches team bike. – [John] Was that a Danish outfit? – [Ollie] Yeah. – [John] Yeah, it’s done
well, innit, that bike? Everything is lined up. – [Ollie] It’s tidy, that.
I like it. I like his handlebars as well. – [John] Yeah, I like the red and the dyed bits and pieces too. (bell rings) Who have we got next? – Next up, we’ve got William somewhere on Vancouver
Island, British Columbia. I hope he’s not lost. – Yeah, William! The search party’s come out. – He’s got his track bike
which he’s converted over to a single speed winter
and hill climbing bike. – [John] Another very tidy
looking mercs, isn’t it? And look, he’s got a GCN water bottle. Do you know what, they
always know, don’t they? – [Ollie] They know,
the e-mailers always do. – [John] William knows.
Even if he’s lost, he knows. He knows he’s lost. He’s got two rear lights as well. Safety first. I’ll tell you what, it’s not
that remote, though, is it? Because he’s got some sort
of table in the background. – [Ollie] I like it.
I like it. – [John] I like it. – [Ollie] I’m a bit annoyed
by the crank arm position. But we’re gonna forgive
that because he’s lost. – [John] Single speed. – [Ollie] Yeah, we could do, yeah. – [John] It’s impossible
to get your tyre logos lined up and all that with a single speed. Unless you basically join
the chain at a certain point. – [Ollie] I like the bar
tape as well, actually. I think it works with the frame colour. – [John] Contrast well, doesn’t it? – [Ollie] Yeah, I like that. – Shall we?
– Yeah. – Yeah, let’s do it (bell rings) William, skin of your teeth. Okay, next up is Wyota in his backyard in the Haag in the
Netherlands, or the Haag. It depends where you come from how you wanna say that, innit? – The Haag. – We’ve got a Koga Miyata Road Winner ’84, and a Koga FullPro from 2009. Wyota says, “What do
you think of my Kogas?” Well, I’ll tell you
what, that one from ’84 is in good condition, innit? – [Ollie] I prefer the ’84. – [John] I was gonna say that. But look at his bar tape. He’s got that light blue. It looks like electrical
tape or something. Around the top bend, toward the stem. Do you see that? – [Ollie] I’m trying to see, yeah. – [John] It’s hard, innit?
Too many options. – [Ollie] On the older one, super nice. – [John] Yeah, because
of the gum side walls, tan side walls. – [Ollie] Yeah, on the
newer one, how nice. So then, what do we do? – [John] I don’t know. – We’ve never had this before. – Wyota, why have you done this to us? – You’ve just broken the matrix. The system no longer works. What should we do? – Should we ring it or not? No, your hesitation. Wyota, nice bikes, my friend. Try and maybe resubmit the
Road Winner 84 and who knows? Right, final one this week. Ollie, honours, please, my friend. – Oh, we’ve Chi in the Rapidon Wildlife
Management Area in Virginia. Now, Chi has got his Cervelo
R5, and it’s very nice. R5, a rim break. Very nice lookin’ bike. I mean, he’s got it fully
tricked out as well. Look at, he’s got his Zip 202s. – [John] Nice wheels. – [Ollie] Yep. – [John] Supercast bar tape to match the green and black theme. – [Ollie] That’s a subtle
touch, I like that. He’s got his name sticker on there. He’s got the cable outer that’s
running for the rear break as well is colour coordinated. He’s got a fancy lookin’ chain on there. Is that green on there? – Yeah, I think that’s that Wend Wax. Wax you rub on. Bit like a roll-on deodorant, that stuff. – [Ollie] Yeah, he’s got an
oversized pully wheel on there. – [John] Rotor key rings, is it? – [Ollie] Silk bag that
is controlled with a dial. – [John] Yeah, the bow
dial, they are really cool. – [Ollie] And he’s got
his matching bottles on. – [John] Do you know what I don’t like? Is that shut up leg
sticker on the head tube. I’m really sorry, Yens. I just don’t like that. But, do you know what? I think the bike is still
really, really nice. – [Ollie] I mean, I
think that all these bits he’s got on there are cool. Cuz he’s got his Bontrager
front and rear lights, which you can connect to
your computer as well. I think they’re really cool in the back. I just think it’s an amazing looking bike, but I would have taken
those cool bits off. And I would have, also, this
is the biggest one for me, I wouldn’t have had the
wheel at a jaunty angle. I would have had the wheel straight! – He’s a hard man to
please, this Mr. Bridgewood. – Yeah, I think we’re going for nice. Gee, I’m really sorry, mate. Resubmit it, take off everything. – You’re so close! – And maybe bring the spirit level in. Like a line of string
or something like that. A taut line of string that you can line the bike up perfectly. And maybe, just maybe, you’ll
get him to ring the bell. I don’t know. – If you resubmit that with
the changes we’ve suggested, I will ring the bell. – That would be a first, I think. Right, there we are, the
end of the bike vault. But as ever, you know what to do. Get involved, use the uploader tool found there in the description beneath and submit pictures of your bikes. And include where you’re from. (bassy explosions) Right, there we are. Nearly time for the end of the show. But don’t worry, loads more great content coming up this week. Because on Saturday, we get to take a look at the bike of Vincenzo
Nibali, his time trial bike. And he’s a guy who
absolutely loves his tech. And believe me, there’s
some special bits on that. Sunday is Anthony Joshua the boxer. Look how good I am at boxing. – It’s like he’s in the room. – Exactly, like I’m in
the ring, more like. We take a look at his
FiftyOne Bikes custom machine. And that is an absolute beauty, innit? – Yeah, I’m really
intrigued to see that one to be honest. – Then, on Monday, I tell you all about free hubs and how they work. – Now, I hope you enjoyed
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that new Specialised Roubaix with the updated Future
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see the new Sky Pinarello Dogma FS with suspension,
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100 thoughts on “Is Suspension On Road Bikes Just A Gimmick? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 68

  1. Is it possible to have variable pressures for your tires, such that you can change the pressure while riding? That would be quite interesting.

  2. 10:12 you have literally shat on all technological advancements in cycling with that statement haha, the bikes they ride today are easier to ride than the bikes from history, why? because of technological advancements. but that's your opinion i guess.

  3. Those Icelandic suspension forks aren't actually new themselves. Trailing/Leading link forks have been a thing for motorcycles since mode 20th at least

  4. If you want a race that is 100% rider than you have hundreds of races throughout the year to watch, i like the fact that Paris Roubaix is a popular race where manufacturers are pushing the limits and designs of their bikes to make them faster across rough surfaces. I love the look and features of the new Pinarello Dogma, what a trick bike! I dont mind giving up a few grams for some extra comfort, and the more comfy I am (whilst staying aero) the more power I can put out for longer. Another great video guys, thanks. Bri.

  5. on road bikes bigger tires should be enough. i used to ride mostly road but nowadays i ride 90%road b MTB. just got a full sus MTB but i did ride my old 26" hardtail mtb quite hard without any big problem offroad. road bikes can use a little bit of give (see trek madone) but not full suspension #gimmick

  6. I do love the challenge of roubaix, but there isn't a single case that I don't like seeing new tech moving humanity forward. So much action occurs in a road race and the maximum difference of equipiment advantage is so small that I'll never complain about "unfair advantages" through tech. Honestly the same with F1, though I could use a Ferrari win about now…

  7. When you hear the pronunciation of Scirocco and especially Bianchi screwed up so badly, you wander if all that knowledge about bikes is just bulls…

  8. 3 OUT OF 5 TOP FINISHERS USED SUSPENSION FITTED BIKES… THAT IN ITSELF MEANS NOTHING IF WE DON`T KNOW WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE OF RIDERS USING THEM. WERE THEY THE ONLY ONES? WAS 95% OF RIDERS USING THEM? COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RELEVANCE RIGHT? USING NUMBERS THIS WAY IS JUST SOOOOOO USELESS

  9. of course all aero bikes are converging. there is only ONE most aero design
    kind of like when all bikes were made out of lugged steel tubes. all bikes looked the same

  10. The first future shock bike which i have is brilliant. A true 5 star bike. I've never thought its heavy. It would be better for me to carry less on my ride.

  11. stop sugarcoating the cool or not cool thing. BE BRUTALLY HONEST NO LOVE !!! do the hills love us, are we used to being punished = YES

  12. Gifting an ass-saver? Are you kidding me? that's the worst gift I've heard from any gcn/GMBN contests. Bring the capron back (or at least a water bottle)

  13. It's a gimmick. More specifically, a sales gimmick (much like disc brakes). Riders win Roubaix, not bikes. And the likes of Gilbert, Lampaert, Sagan etc would be at the front of that race no matter which bike brand they would be riding. Politt and van Aert were the most active in that race and they had "ordinary" bikes. Politt on an aero frame no less, which is stiff af.

  14. You got to advance the sport a bit if not people will get bored of the sport or it might not gain more views. I say let the suspension stay for a bit

  15. Paris-Roubaix is still 80% (over 200Km) of Tarmac, so being fast there is important too. I have a suspension bike it is my steel frame and fork with 650Bx35…

  16. I think suspending the actual bike is probably a gimmick as the major suspension parts are heavy. I like the bits that add compliance in the design of the frame, or the leaf spring seat post in my Canyon Endurace as they're light and not very "spongy" when hammering along.

  17. Please stop with all these “innovations” on road bikes! I can’t even stand disc brakes! And all they’re doing is pricing me out of everything!

  18. In all honesty these bikes should have all the tech mountain bikes have (1x, thru axle, fs, hydraulic disc etc).Road cycling culture is just so damn traditionalist. Your all missing out..

  19. Road bikes today are more versatile in general. Wider gear ranges and disc brakes have become the norm, so why not suspension? I recall searching for one of those Cannondale Silk Road bikes long after they were out of production without much success.

  20. If you're going to talk about Walmart, talk about they millions they've invested into cycling in Bentonville. Not surprised they are making real bikes.

  21. Note sure about this, but aren't the physics against suspension on road bikes? By this, I mean that it takes more energy to maintain the speed, if the bumps are softened out by suspension? For off road cycling, where the alternative is smashing into some massive rock, ending your race, its clearly worth it, but if you're just dealing with high frequency bumps, won't the suspension slow you down, for the same power output? Maybe rider tiredness comes into it? If you're less tired and less battered, you can output more power?

  22. Every time I see a 'gravel bike' I think of dudes sporting man buns. I mean it's all a bit ooh err I'm very urban. :

  23. If walmart is releasing bikes like they released "High end" desktop computers I wouldn't even consider buying one

  24. Trek's Domane SLR seems to be a good compromise between often heavy tech and the need to keep weight down. I love how I can adjust it to suit the road and how sore my back is.

  25. Was always pro tech; 12years ago with first DI2 prototypes and 4years ago with disc. But I’m not for the suspension. Suspension is not intended for comfort!!

  26. gimmick or not, is suspension on a road bike any use ? The only way my doctor will let me ride – thanks to a back issue….

  27. Just a quick observation on the NASA pen story: an ordinary ballpoint pen will in a micro-gravity environment due to the capillary action of the ink in the narrow tube. As for using a pencil (true or not); you wouldn't want electro-conductive fragments floating around your space capsule.

  28. My friend Kenny Smith is riding 2,500 miles around the UK. He is doing this for MS Trust. Can you wish him the best of luck. If possible please promote his cause https://www.facebook.com/50daycyclearoundtheuk2019/

  29. Surely the weight penalty for heavier suspension (front and/or rear) for the short sections of cobbles over the non-cobbled sections means overall using them is a negative outcome? You might save some watts on the cobbles with a smoother ride, but then dragging the extra weight over the whole course costs you those watts and more.

  30. I just do not get the point, a road bike is called a road bike and not a cobble bike, what is the idea to suffer on cobble. It is as if an F1 car would be driven off-road.

  31. Can you do a Paris Roubaix follow-up on the Dogma FS?
    VAN BAARLE, Dylan (SKY) was the highest placing rider at 21st. Did he use it or his regular Dogma?
    BTW: Peach Airline doesn't permit bikes with suspension on its flights. Tire clearance is the best suspension system. Road condition where I live has definitely been getting worse over the last 5 years or so.

  32. Want comfort and strength?. Reynolds 853 Air Hardened Steel. Best bike frame Ive ever ridden…..buttery smooth compared to my carbon frame teeth chatterer AND it has a strength:weight ratio just slightly below TITANIUM: THE WONDER ELEMENT!!!…but cost a fortune.

  33. I really liked the k8s.
    But it doesn't get much use on road bikes.
    It's still awesome but not very practical most of the time

  34. Think you might had missed the mark on this one. I think, especially if you are talking about carbon fiber, the suspension is to provide give to the frame and help prevent stress on the frame when hitting bumps on the road. The stress on the frame might cause flex, stretching and cracks.

  35. fat people who ride bikes need suspension which makes the bike too heavy to ride and thus, it will not be ridden and end up on craigslist. It's science.

  36. If you call clever marketing a gimmick… then, yes it is a gimmick.
    Suckers fall for it, every time. Are you a sucker??

  37. Walmart knowing bikes… Look up the headquarters and birthplace of Walmart and you'll find a mountain bikers Haven with over 120 million dollars in trail and city integration all thanks to Walmart heirs.

  38. I would like suspension on my race bicycle. Roads in my country are rough, even avenues. Sometimes i hit hard on some uneven roads, so a suspention would be nice to try out.

  39. I'm still curious if it's worth putting drop bars on hardtail mtb with 90mm of travel, it's really hard to find many freaks who done this. Anyone maby has some experience with that?

  40. 23:56 you can line up tyre logos and cranks on a fixie.. unless the number of theeth is commensurate on front and back. e.g if you have 52:13 then after one crank rotation the wheel has moved 4x and is in the same position. But if you have 51:13 you are at (4 – 12/13) wheel revolutions after 1 crank revolution, and given enough patience yo can indeed line it up!

  41. Road cycling purists turn their nose up at suspension, but as it gets lighter and more advanced it will be come very common place in road racing. It's inevitable.

  42. Ever tried cycling in london? suspension on a road bike here would increase the life of the thing by at least 50%. My bike shakes itself to pieces over these roads, especially where there's no cycle lane. Had to replace a wheel once after hitting a pothole in the rain, thought it was just a shallow puddle but it turned out to be a gigantic sinkhole in the middle of the road.

  43. I love Ollies Peter Satan impression, it's such a unique vocal inflection I didn't think it could be done. Fair play Ollie.

  44. With the popularity of cycle cross and gravel bikes it makes sense to have suspension. The trick is to find a balance. Plush suspension sucks up much needed energy but having no suspension feels like skiing down the pyramids. A firm, but minimal suspension seems to make the most sense to me. With a maximum of 1-2 inches (25-51mm) of travel.Just enough to soak up the sharp jarring impacts, but not so much that it starts sucking up the watts. Look at Formula 1suspension. Its much faster on asphalt, but it would not be recommended for the World Rally Championship and even worse for the Paris-Dakar. So we need bikes that work on the specific types of road that we travel on. Light suspension for road bikes (both in capacity and weight) is a good idea for bikes that are hitting chip seal, gravel, unimproved roads, trails etc. But they will have to prove themselves useful enough to carve out a space that they can sustain in the bike industry. They will also have to be able to keep up with rigid bikes on smoother surfaces. That is no small feat. I personally took my 1997 Serrotta Atlanta on the local BMX track. I didn't get airborne because I am not crazy and I didn't want to destroy that beautiful steel frame, but the track was smoother than some of the places that I have taken my bike and I had to prove a point. ;-D

  45. Your 'suspension' comments are again geared to professionals and high level competitions. However, the vast majority of us ride on increasingly deteriorating surfaces. Not to mention the increasing popularity of amateur gravel riding.

  46. I didn't know if you took mountain bikes I have a specialized SE Fatboy 26 inch tires came stock with a 2 by 10 gears I've upgraded it to the SRAM eagle NX 12 speed and I'm getting ready to change the front sprocket from the 32f down to a 28 and I've already got the granny t-50 cassette on back looking at the cobblestone roads that you guys were showing where the gears fatboy bikes are just glide over that

  47. Hi guys, I love the channel, always the best ones! What do you think about seatpost and handle bar suspensions? Are they worth it? Would you make a video about it? Thanks again!

  48. If you are actually running races with intent to win or prone to being bullied by peer pressure…a suspension on your road bike may not be good for you. If you are interested in a comfortable ride that makes you want to be on your bike more to gain better health and not burn so much gas in the car…a suspended road bike may be a great idea. If 'traditional' were the guidepost, we would all still be riding penny-farthings…

  49. Suspension on any bike will always depend on
    the age of the rider and how bony his old keester is. I speak from experience. Thanks for asking.

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