Counterfeit Carbon – Spotting Fake Bike Parts | GCN Tech Show Ep. 44


(air whooshing) – Welcome to the GCN Tech Show. – This week Ollie is at the
Taipei Bike Show in Taiwan. Jon is looking outside
for cross-tech in Belgium. – Back here though, we have
all the latest tech news including new goodies from
ENVE, Canyon and Eddy Merckx. – Ooh. (upbeat music) (air whooshing) As we just mentioned,
Ollie and Jon are both out and about hunting out
the very best new tech. Jon’s trying to get
his grubby little hands on some grubby cyclocross tech. Not grubby, he’s gone and
landing Mathieu van der Poel’s pro bike and Marietta Voss’ pro bike so those will be both on
the channel coming up soon. And Ollie, I’m really jealous, Ollie’s at the Taipei Bike Show
which is one of my favorite events of the whole year. He is sending back a load of videos and he’s sending back this
week’s big talking point so stay tuned for that. – More from them in a little bit then. First up we have news
of a brand new Canyon. They have completely
readdressed their Aeroad model and they have created a budget
version, budget version. It comes in with a slightly
heavier frame but is effectively just as stiff and just as
Aero as the Premium SLX. – Yeah, I guess it comes
out of the same mold, right? – It comes out of exactly the same mold and comes with new colors, too. – It does indeed. Now it is considerably cheaper
given that the starting point is the CF SL 7.9. That’s 2,699 euros. Now of course, that is
a significant investment but given that it comes
with Reynolds carbon wheels and that Shimano 105
group set, it looks really premium these days. Doesn’t it?
– Yep. – [Cy] When you gotta look kinda closely to see that is indeed 105. – Next up are these new
gravel products from ENVE who are further blurring the
line between what started as quite a niche spot and mountain biking when it was originally begun years ago. They have released these
lighter and wider products. Size and comfort and
stability on the rough stuff. – Yeah, we’ll start with the
fork, shall we, first of all. Internal cable routing,
excellent for an aesthetic thing but also, personally, ’cause
I can’t stand zip ties being a fundamental part of
attaching cables to your bike. – No thank you. – If they can get rid of
at least some of those that will be an absolute bonus. Oversized steering tube,
all importance clearance, 50 millimeters for 650B Wheels, 45 millimeters for 700C but bear in mind the ENVE have to be conservative
with their widths there in order to comply by the
regulations that’s placed upon them so one would
assume you could probably squeeze something a
little plumper in there. – Nicely. – 420 grams is the weight of that fork. – That’s not bad though, they
look pretty cool as well. – Yeah. – Next up then, how about
these wildly flared bars? – [Cy] I tell you what man,
I bet you love a wild flare don’t you John Travolta? – [Chris] I do, yeah. – [Cy] 12 centimeters wider in the drop than they are in the tops. – [Cy] Saturday night fever. – [Chris] Yeah. And released in all the standard sizes so two centimeter increments
meaning that the 48 centimeter bar will actually be 60
centimeters center to center at the drop which, if I’m not mistaken it wasn’t that long ago that
cross-country mountain bikes had narrower bars. – No, I believe my first
cross-country mountain bike handlebar was 21.5 inches back in 1992 and downhill
mountain bike handlebars were narrower than 600 mil so there we go. – But I bet they didn’t
weigh 246 to 281 grams like these do. – No. – And did they have a epic
logo from ENVE either? – I seem to be fair
minded to taking high tech handlebars I think were 140 grams. – What? – Still got, still got them
knocking around somewhere. Yeah, anyway, you’re right,
there is a very blurred line isn’t there now between
gravel and mountain bikes. It was interesting some of
the comments of that Iceland video where we compared a gravel
bike with a mountain bike. People were suggesting
that my gears were too tall ’cause I was using road gears. Maybe I should have used
mountain bike gears. People were saying that
my tires were a bit narrow for what we were doing. Maybe I should have used 50 mil wide and then you’re at the
point where you’re like, well, I’m basically riding a mountain bike but with drop handlebars and
what’s the advantage there? Why not just stick a flat handlebar on? – So you’re suggesting we
go and dig our bikes out from the 90s? – Well, you know, it’d be
interesting, wouldn’t it? The next video should be
comparing a gravel bike to a retro mountain bike. Which is faster? (air whooshing) – All right then, it’s now time for Ollie and this week’s talking point. He’s causing trouble in Taiwan checking out unbranded carbon. – Ollie, you there, Ollie? He’s there. – I’m here at the Taipei
bike show which is Asia’s largest bicycle trade show. While I was here, I thought
this would be a great opportunity to chat to
some industry experts and I wanted to find out a bit more about the dangers of counterfeit products. Now many of you will have
heard of counterfeit products and some of you may have been
unlucky enough to actually have come across them so I
want to find out more about how common are they and
how can you spot them and avoid buying them in the future? So to do that I’m gonna
talk to Mark Vandermolen who is the MD of Vision at FSA in the USA. So, right, I’m gonna go find him. To get more of an insight, I’m here with Mark Vandermolen who
is the Managing Director of FSA and Vision in the United States. So what kind of products
have you seen counterfeited? – You see, in our case, we see things like stems, handlebars, seat posts. Those are kind of the
main control components. Those items tend to be,
especially, like I say a standard stem or a standard handlebar. There’s a lot of things that go into them but they can maybe mimic
the appearance if you will and then be able to
kind of copy some logos and try to put that on there. So that could be something
that would come up but there’s ways that you
can kinda spot that stuff. – And in terms of the sort of the quality of counterfeit products. Are there any sort of dangers? Do you see them? How do they compare to the
actual genuine article? – Well, the trouble I
think that the end-user has is that they can’t tell and so they may look at a stem or a
handlebar and they think oh, it looks the same
so it must be the same but when it comes to things like oh if you’re looking at something online and you find that the price
is half of what it might be from a reputable dealer
or buying from the brand and you find that, oh, hey, the weight looks too good and the
price is too good to pass up that might be some red flags that maybe the end-users need to take a look at. Is this really a quality product? Is it really the name-brand product? Or am I buying something from a company I’ve never heard of before and
it doesn’t look quite right? Those are some of the things that people definitely need to pay attention to. – I imagine that there’s
gonna be quite a few people who will watch this and will by cynical and they will go well,
of course, you’re gonna say that ’cause you
work for FSA and Vision and they’re gonna say
well I’ve got his product, this fake one, and I’ve got the real one and they’ve basically
been made in the same mold and outwardly they look
the same so I can save myself a load of money
by getting the fake one. – You know, and in that case I mean, odds are they weren’t
made maybe in the same mold but they could’ve been
having some similar design aspects to them, especially with carbon. What you find is that outward
appearances can be deceiving and so really, the
structure on the inside, the layup schedule, how the
carbon’s been put together, how the actual curing’s
been done, how many layers of carbon they use, what
orientation they were in. All those things you can’t
see from the outside. So for example, if you
bought a carbon handlebar and two carbon handlebars
look virtually identical you might find that one
could test where it’s got half as much strength as what the legit reputable branded product does because there’s a lot of
work that goes into that. – Well, it’s that thing if you buy a pair of carbon handlebars and they snap. If I bought a pair of
your carbon handlebars and they snap, I’d be
going straight to you guys. – Well, let’s hope that
there’s no problem like that. Our development, our
testing, the validation that the product goes through well before it goes into the marketplace. We’ve done countless rounds of testing. There’s obviously the ISO
standards in the industry to deliver safe, reliable
product and we test above and beyond that and so in our case, should somebody have a
problem with a product, not just a handlebar, if
it was any of our products, we, obviously, we want
to be able to take care of our customers and to be able to service them and to
make sure that they’re safe and they have good quality products. It’s just one of those things. We put so much investment
in time and effort in to trying to bring
safe, reliable product to market there that it’s certainly something that maybe people
don’t see on the outside but that’s definitely
something that goes into everything that we would bring to market. – Nice, well, thanks a
lot for your time Mark. It’s been great talking to you. – Yeah, thank you. – Cheers.
– Cheers. – Right there and make
sure you get involved in the comments section after that one. Some really interesting
points there raised by Ollie’s story. So yeah, get stuck in. – Looking forward to
scrolling through those comments next week. – Absolutely. – We’ve also had Jon
Cannings out in Belgium who has been checking out
all the cyclocross tech that he could get his fingers on. He was at the Pseudo Cross in Neerpelt and the Superprestige in Ruddervoorde. Check it out.
– Rudeh? Say it again. – Ruddervoorde. (whistle) (air whooshing) – So this is Panda. She’s not really pandering
to my attention much. Anyway, how cool is that? A dalmatian. Panda, Panda, come here, come here. I absolutely love a dog, especially a dalmatian. But she doesn’t appear to love me much. Oh well, back to the bike tech. – Right, thank you very much Jon. That’s some cracking tech there as well. We got more here right in our workshop starting with this from Muc-Off. Now are you the kind of
person that wants to clean your bike with the
wheels on but are worried about contaminating your disk rotors? Me neither, but if you are then this is a product for you. A disc rotor cover so you can basically clean your bike, spray your WD-40 wherever you like without any worry about not
being able to stop afterwards or getting really squeaky brakes. So there we go. – [Chris] And they remind
you to take them off before you ride the bike. – I would imagine that would
be a sensible thing to do. – I found this on Indiegogo this week. The Boomerang CycloTrac Version Two which is an updated version of
what they did the first time. – Version Two is an
update from Version One. Goodness me. – [Chris] Which is the
most advanced GPS tracker, anti-theft and crash detection
device on the market. – [Cy] Well, there we go, and apparently trusted by police. – [Chris] It was, the first one. – Yeah, indeed, I’m not
entirely sure what they were trusting it for but they trusted it. This Version Two has an update in the form of that crash detection
so it’s got a panic button and then it’s got
updates to the app as well. You know what? I’m not a massive fan
of the idea of putting an alarm on my bike but one day maybe all bikes are gonna have them. If they’re neat enough. – [Chris] Under the stem
maybe, nice a sleek. – [Cy] Yeah, absolutely,
and on your city bike, Massif ebike or whatever,
yeah, fair enough I think. – And we’ll finish this
week’s news with this A legend is set to return
to the Tour de France. Eddy Merckx’s bikes will once
again be in the world tour under the riders of Anjay Dzire and look at that bike. – [[Cy] Wow. – [Chris] Everything
about this bike is just so right to me Cy, everything. It’s got modern design
and technology with those kind of traditional styles as well. – Yeah, it’s like a Who’s Who
of European tech, isn’t it? We’ve got Mavic on there,
we got Vredestein tires, we got rotor cranks, Campy group set. Yeah, you’re right, it’s great. And is it a coincidence
that Eddy Merckx’s bikes are returning to the World Tour and the Tour de France next year? Probably not ’cause if you remember the Tour de France route
starts in Brussels next year just down the road from
Eddy Merckx’s birthplace and it happens to be the 50th anniversary commemorating his first
Tour de France victory. – I wonder if Anjay dzire have any Tour de France contenders? – Remember date? (power screwdriver whirring) – And on to Screw Riding
Up Grades Buy Upgrades. Nico’s Globus took a
convincing victory last week with 61 percent of the
votes over Justin’s Trek with 38 percent so well done to you. – Absolutely, yeah,
convincing victory, right. This week we’ve got, with
no romance, from Scott in Brisbane, he wanted
the ultimate Zwift setup and you know what Chris,
judging by those photos I think he might have got it. Certainly for you we’ve got
some John Travolta disco lights. – [Chris] Yeah, you get down tonight, man. – [Cy] Check it out, a fan that might even start me sweating but probably not. That is some serious,
serious Zwifting setup. Fair play there, Scott. And then what are they up against, Chris? – And that is up against Mark and Kim’s 2006 Cannondale Road Tandem. I do love a tandem. – [Cy] Nice, I like it. They said they got
together five years ago. Kim was very keen to join
in with Mike’s cycling and so after a few months
of scouring online ads they found a rough diamond in the form of this Cannondale tandem. So what did they do to pimp it, Chris? – [Chris] Well there are few upgrades as the original was looking
a little bit tired they say. So, Rolf wheels, 25
millimeter Conti tires, Shimano ice tech rotors,
hybrid hydraulic calipers, and a group set upgrade as well. – Nice, there we go. – She flies, now. – Right, that’s quite a
difficult choice, isn’t it, ’cause it’s so different? One is that ultimate zwift
setup including disco lights and the other is the
ultimate way of spending time with your loved one
out on your push bike. (air whooshing) Bike of the Week now. Before we give you the images
of this week’s stunners for you to choose between, what
about results of last week? Well, the choice was Mateo Trenton’s Scott up against Sylvan Dilea’s Factor. And winning, with 59 percent of the votes is Mateo Trenton’s Scott. – [Chris] Yeah, there’s another walk away victory this week. It wasn’t close at all. – Absolutely, now this
is another hard decision. Do you go retro, do you go modern? What have we got Chris? – We have this new
release from Eddy Merckx which will be at next
year’s Tour de France and is going up against a retro classic, the original bike that
Eddy Merckx rode it himself to Grand Tour victory. – In 1974, it’s his Calnago
branded up Eddy Merckx in the iconic multini colors. – What would you go for Cy? – This might borderline heresy. I don’t actually like the multini colors. I go for the modern one. – No, you must be–
– Yeah, I’m really sorry. – the only person I’ve
ever heard say that. – Oh, it’s like brown, isn’t it? – No, it’s orange-ish. – Anyway, there we go. The decision is not ours,
the decision is yours. Make sure you vote onscreen now. (air whooshing) It’s time now for the Bike Vault. We have some amazing looking bikes for you to have a look at now and for us to ultimately pass judgment as to whether it is a
nice or a super nice. Chris, who is up first? – Well, hang on, you’re
missing the important part of the show. (cow bell dinging) The cow bell. – Wow.
– Right then. – Flamboyant. – First off is this entry from June in Grand Junction, Colorado. An Orbea Orca Arrow, 2018 model. And look how beautiful those colors are. – [Cy] Sorry, the bike
or the autumn leaves? – [Chris] Both to be honest. – [Cy] ‘Cause that bike, I’m loving that. What’s that blue with
a bit of teal on there? What bike, rotor cranks,
we got Zipp wheels. Man alive, that is a cool
bit of kick, isn’t it? – [Chris] Yep, and I love the way it’s in those autumn leaves. What’d you recon, Cy? – I think you’re gonna
ring that bell aren’t you? – Yeah. (cow bell ringing) Woohoo. – All right then, next up we have the Cannondale Synapse from Dave. This was taken in Mount Hood
in the State of Oregon he said. He purchased the bike two years ago and since upgraded the rear cassette to a nine to 40 for climbing. – [Chris] Wow.
– [Cy] Fair play. I do love that shot. – [Chris] It’s quite moody
the way the bike’s not really lit up but yet everything
in the background is. – [Cy] Very cool, what we gonna say then? – [Chris] I find it hard not
to give that super nice, hey? – Wow, you’re in a
generous mood, aren’t you? – Well. – I’d love the spirit, well, ring the bell, Chris, ring the bell. – Yeah. (cow bell ringing) – Okay, now we’ve got Roland’s specialized Diverge Expert X1, 2019 model. Jumping the gun a little bit Roland from Landshut, wherever that is. There we go, oh this
is coming back to your road versus mountain bike theme. For a roady this might be a mountain bike as well as it could be a road bike for a mountain bike here. That is cool, isn’t it? Deep section Roval wheels. What are you thinking Chris? – [Chris] I think it’s pretty
cool although you can’t really see the color of the frame
that well for some reason. – [Cy] Yeah, it’s got
camoflagued isn’t it? – [Chris] But at the same time, Cy, – [Cy] Skip all ties. – [Chris] Figure, that
deserves a super nice almost on it’s own but imagine the fun you could have on that bike. – Yeah, again mate, it’s
one of these difficult decisions separating
the bike from the image. – Well, I’m not a photographer. – Well there’s a get
out of jail free card. – What’d you recon? – You gonna ring the bell Chris? – Yes. (cow bell ringing) – Boy, whoo, there you go mate. Do you want to do your joke now? – [Chris] Yeah, it’s
blooming brilliant this one. – [Cy] It is lovely, isn’t it. So this is James’ Cervelo S5. This is his new bike that he built himself at 15 years of age with
Integra 6800 DI2 Mavec Cosmics. That is a serious bit of
kick James for a 15-year-old. Nice work, dude. I like that very much, very much indeed. Those Cosmic’s are cool, aren’t they? How many papers did you
deliver to pay for that? – [Chris] I love that, that’s brilliant. I find my hand itching to grab the bell. (cow bell ringing) Good bye James. – This is gonna be a full
house I can tell, right. Lastly we got this from Dan which is his Wilier Cento Uno Air from New South Wales in Australia. Firstly, I gotta say, lovin’ that photo. That’s a good sign post to lean your Aero bike against, isn’t it? Okay, what’s he got? You know what Chris, I can’t actually see what’s on his bike. This might be a problem. – [Chris] Well it’s not
’cause I know what I want to give it already. – What? – I think it deserves a super nice Cy. – Well hang on here, you can’t do that ’cause we can’t see what’s on it. – He’s got two bottles,
he’s going for a long ride, he stopped to take a picture next to a Reduce Speed
sign ’cause he’s ridden so fast to get there. – Dan, you’re gonna have to resubmit man. I can’t give that a super nice ’cause I don’t know what it is. – And I can’t give you a super
nice if Cy doesn’t agree. – I’m really, oh, man, what a let down at the end of the Bike Vault. Dan, please, send it in again. Show us exactly what is on that bike. Sort the cranks out, make
sure they’re horizontal please and then – Oh, Cy. – Yeah. – We’ll just wait for a
week when Cy isn’t in. – Good point. (air whooshing) Well, unfortunately,
that brings us towards the end of the GCN Tech Show. Thank you very much to
Ollie for sending his reports in from the Taipei Bike Show. Thank you for Jon for sending
his report back from Belgium. Chris, it’s been an absolute pleasure sitting here with you, mate. – Well, thank you for having me, Cy. Sweet to get to be here. – I’m not sure I’m the
host but there we go. Right, anyway, please
give this epic thumbs up and if you would like to check out another video here on the Tech Channel why not, we’ve been talking about gravel versus mountain bike,
why don’t you check out that Moots Routt 45
that I was lucky enough to cycle around Iceland on.

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100 thoughts on “Counterfeit Carbon – Spotting Fake Bike Parts | GCN Tech Show Ep. 44

  1. This is funny … there is a carbon expert in Australia that cut open a set of Enve wheels and a cheap chinese wheel. The Enve wheel had more voids in the carbon than the cheap chinese version

  2. I've raced a 1992 Specialized Rockhopper set up with 650b wheels and dropbars if ya wanna see! Finished 150miles of gravel singlespeed.

  3. 7:17 Right on the money my brother why the hell am I going to buy a part for $700 when I can get it for $200 and it's the same weight looks the same and does the same thing (not cracking) as its name branded counter part??? Mind you I'm talking about non-namebranded products and not counterfeits, just those that are way cheaper, they actually work unless you are going to drop your bike off a bridge or have it ran over with a truck.

  4. Back in 2003 I worked in the bike industry. Back then there was two or three factories in Taiwan that made mostly all the carbon frames. I discovered from industry people from companies that did clinics at our shops that the same factories just put decals from different companies on the frames.

    A few years after I learned that Cervelos were made in China. Now a lot of frames are designed in house like Germany and built in China and Taiwan. Now a lot of tube shapes are public domain, which means any factory can build using those tube shapes.

  5. Look Olie has successfully transformed to a veteran reporter. Naturally handing a mic over while the guest has a mic on aye?

  6. Hey guys… GRAVEL BIKES ARE MTBs WITH DROP BARS. Once you are over 35c tires it is a MTB, NOT a road bike. The bike industry acts like all this is new but it is not… I had a Trek touring bike with long reach brakes (Campy no less) that took 32c cross tires that I rode the snot out of back in 1989 or almost 30 years ago. A couple of years later I rocked drop bars with bars ends on a Univega Alpina Pro when I did some of the very few MTB races I rode. They were both fun, the Trek much more so because it was more fun to ride on roads of all sorts that you had to do on MTB rides in my part of the country. By the way, that steel Trek (wish I could remember the model) is STILL BEING RIDDEN. And it was used when I got it. Doubt the current generation of carbon gravel bikes will fare as well.

  7. My wheels are unbranded 50 deep rims 25 mm wide with 350 DT Swiss Hubs tubeless ready. with Sapim spokes. they are not the lightest at 1680 grams but I love them, they ride really well. the roll really well and they look great.

  8. I rode with a guy in the US whose neck was fused as his front forks delaminated and collapsed – it’s less about branded or unbranded and more about quality control and trust in the product.

  9. What you have to remember is that if the counterfeit stuff was any good then they would be happy to put a genuine name to it.
    All they are interested in is making money and so as long as it looks like the original then they’re happy. Buyer beware

  10. No. Carbon fibre structural parts design and manufacture is difficult. There are plenty of fails. Stick with branded alloy. For carbon fibre you can check out planet x, ribble, etc. for what is a fair price for such parts. I agree with others there are of course good ones. My local bike shop has a nice pair of fake rims that cracked.

  11. We are promised a tutorial on how to "[Spot] Fake Bike Parts." We received a discussion of how the genuine article is prepared. Please show us some counterfeits next to the genuine article and pointers on how to tell the difference. Having said that, I give this GCN Tech Show a thumbs down for failing to live up to its headline.

  12. That Diverge in the Bike Vault made me hunt for a good shot of a two-tone Cadillac.

    Excuse me while I try to NOT drool.

  13. Yes lets see a gravel bike vs. retro mountain bike video! Also, Si, let weigh those old school MTB bars yeah?

  14. If people keep on sending such killer bikes Si will definitely end up deaf in a couple years or so 🙂 keep up the great work guys, awesome show!

  15. I can't vote for either Eddie Merckx bike. If the carbon bike had Shimano groupset and disc brakes I would have voted for that. The old one HAS NOT aged well. The frame design now looks like if was done by a 3 year old. As the the colour. It looks like someone has been sick over it. Several times. In fact the colour of the old bike makes me feel queezy.

  16. SHOCKED THAT YOU COULDNT EVEN SEE THAT WAS A COUNTERFEIT CERVELO S5 !!!!!
    AND THAT GUY WHO BUILT IT SHOULD BE SHOT WITH NICE AERO S5 CARBON BULLETS.

  17. If your plan is to save money by buying cheap carbon make sure to factor in the medical and dental bills. If you really want cheap carbon, buy aluminum.

  18. I have used unbranded products from China. I try and do some research and look for established sellers with good feedback. I'm wary about wheels, but I've had a lovely set of aero bars for a couple of years and they've handled everything British roads can throw at them. I've also had a carbon saddle that cracked, so you do take a risk.

  19. I'd buy unbranded – PROVIDED it has gone through the same qualification and testing as any branded product. Canyon (for example) x-ray every carbon bar and fork they make – that costs a lot.

  20. When make all components in China you should expect to have everything counterfeited. A lot of higher end counterfeit is at par with original parts visually and functionally. Only materials can be a problem. I bought Xpedo pedals on Amazon few years ago. Then someone told me my pedals are counterfeited but after comparing mine to originals in the store and to originals used for same period of time and under same conditions I didn't see a lot of difference. Mine even performed better and look better.
    Now really funny part. I left a review on Amazon saying pedals are counterfeited. Amazon removed it citing i have no real proof.
    I have seen a lot of FSA, race face C/F counterfeited handlebars on ebay and aliexpress for 1/3 of original price with hundreds and hundreds sold and nice feedbacks.
    Would I buy counterfeited parts knowingly for my MTB? Nope. Structural integrity is important when my life and health depends on it. 
    For my commuter bike? Yes without thinking twice about it.

  21. Just to be clear, unbranded made out of carbon does not mean counterfeit! counterfeit is carbon or any other material that has a sticker on it that says it is another brand when in fact it is not the brand stated on the sticker. I wouldn’t want anyone to get confused and think unless it is a name-brand product then it’s not suitable for consumption, it is simply not true. The carbon has to be laid up somewhere, and it’s most likely not in the USA or the UK.

  22. great britan (si) is obviously a cow-rare country in contrast to"stiff upper lipps". Thank you Chris for your passionate ringing ( my computer luckyly has a volume trigger).

  23. Eddy Merckx's win on Stage 17 of the 1969 Tour is, in my opinion, the greatest bit of riding ever. And he took all of the classification jerseys for the '69 tour as well.

  24. Last bike in the vault had to be just a nice, based on the position of the cranks alone. (As Si pointed out just as I was writing this comment.)

  25. I said the exact same thing about the bikepacking episode. Drop bars on MTB makes no sense, That is what a gravel bike w/ huge tires is, it's an uncomfortable leanded over mountain bike.

  26. The first carbon part I bought for my new build was an FSA seatpost. It has distinct UPC & QR Codes, it also has a UV watermark, the feel of the seat post soaking up bumps was more than enough to convince me to buy every thing else in carbon.

  27. DARN YOU Jhon! I was at the super prestige in Boom, you picked the wrong event to be at 😛
    I would've LOVED to have met you!

  28. My head was spinning befor i watched this video and i thought jon mentioned about a Dalmatian with customized Zipp logos on its wheels..

  29. Ironic to sandwich this video against unbranded carbon in between video after video from ollie at the "World Unbranded Carbon Festival" know as Taipei Cycle Show

  30. I'm turning my 90's carbon Gary Fischer mountain bike into a do all gravel bike with drops and 700c's. More because I'm curious than anything..

  31. Great reporting on counterfeit. But there are unknown brands of carbon components frames stems posts etc that are rigorously tested and go through high standards . We get how your supposed to buy the name brand but what if it’s not counterfeit only a unknown brand? I agree to a point but can See the push to keep the money in brick and mortar vs. buying online. At the end of the day as long as more people are out on bikes that’s better than the alternative.

  32. Okay lets get something straight in the era of Trump. ALL technology or innovation brought to China is considered THEIRS to do what they want with it. China has explained this from the early 90s and technically there are NO FAKES unless its name branded. They do not have to abide by intellectual property concerns that America or Europe do. This is the carbon composite manufacturing center of the world and FSA entered a agreement FULLY understanding that manufacturers are free to make anything of the tech that is brought over. The problem FSA and other companies have is the knockoffs are sometimes BETTER than the originals. They might be heavier but stronger. Does a carbon frame cost anywhere near the price manufacturers are charging for T1000 carbon? You have to make a whole lot of excuses to come up with the pricing and at this point its absurd. As a avid rider you would have to be STUPID to not buy the Chinese counterpart for far less. There are no 10.000 dollar road bikes in my world and mine is darn close to any competitive cyclist bike. There is no change with regards to the trade war because companies want cheap goods to sell at ridiculous prices. 10 years ago a good argument could be made about cheap Chinese goods, NOT ANYMORE and only suckers that dont know anything about bikes get taken nowadays. The WTO agrees with EVERYTHING I just talked about, but if you want that name then your free to do so.

  33. To me it's like choosing an ethnic restaurant. If most of their patrons are of that ethnicity than the food should be pretty good. If the cycling parts distributer you're looking to purchase from online uses marketing photos directed at their own populace then the quality should be good. As with any online purchase, do your research. If description is not detailed enough, move on or question seller. Most all distributors cannot afford bad reviews.

  34. My life recently got into cyclocross & racing cyclocross. She broke her chain this weekend on a bike that’s only three months old. What is the strongest chain for cyclocross ?

  35. Speaking of carbon on this episode: the Deda Alanera bars (&stem) on Eddie's bike were not mentioned but drool-worthy!!

  36. I think they should look at UNBRANDED carbon. Bit different to knock off parts. I have used many carbon parts from Asia and had zero problems. Do some research first of course but ultimately, it is your choice.

  37. No no no guys. Canyon are profiteering. They have downgraded the Carbon in anything lower than Dura Ace the model and more or less kept the price. Look at the 2018 SLX models and compare the price to the 2019 SL models. Basically the same. What's worse you cannot buy ultegra SLX anymore! That was the one to go for. 2019 IS A TERRIBLE YEAR TO BUY A CANYON!

  38. Jon, any tips for eliminating heel-lift? I have a pair of Giro E70 Knits which are great and fit well in all other respects but my heels lift when pedalling. The same used to happen with my old Specialized Audax shoes. Thanks for your help.

  39. I bought original ritchey brand saddle from EU and it arrived with bent rails. From that point i decided to buy some cheap carbon parts from aliexpress, because I can not afford more originals with my low month income. For example 100€ original seatpost can not be 5x better than 20€ china seatpost, at least I cannot spot any differences between originals and fakes except China seatpost diameters are like 0,5mm+/- lol. The fact is that china carbon parts are probably not stress tested. I would recommend buying titanium quick releases from china as the best and cheapest upgrade (also weightsaving). And i think its better to go with high end, branded aluminium rather than china carbon wheelsets if using rim brakes.

  40. I would like to see a video comparing a modern gravel bike to a retro mountain bike. My first "real" mountain bike in 1990 or '91 had a narrow bar that I and all my friends with similar rides took a hacksaw to, we cut an inch or more off each end. We felt more nimble and thought that we could squeeze through smaller gaps on the trail as well as in traffic (we were Seattle bike messengers).

  41. I have brought loads of Chinese products from Ali Express and they are all still working fine. They're not fake products just because they don't have big name brand stickers on them. They're just Chinese brands, generally made for their huge domestic market. If you look at their sales figures you can see that done of them have sold millions of products so must have a good safety reputation and customer service.

  42. Well – i cant agree this time with GCN i got an made in china ( Cipolini ) with made in china – handlebar, stem, seat post and carbon wheels – with original Sram Rival 11 speed – since november 2015, been riding almoust from 150 to 200 miles a month – no problem so far, also got a year a go a mountainbike carbon frame 29er with sram nx group set – so far all goods …chinise carbonframe its getting better this days …

  43. Would never ride counterfeit products but China do some good no name stuff,this is what the likes of zipp,enve and stuff don't want you to know

  44. I am telling you man I am buying an MTB and I'm putting drops on it. That's where we are headed, I might at least have proper suspension.

  45. Came expecting to see a video about "Spotting Fake Bike Parts" but couldn't find it. Can you guys put timestamps in, please?

  46. I Bought a some Ergosum 3T bars from DHgate back in 2013 and put them on an aluminum fixed gear bike in which i SPRINTED MY HEART OUT ❤ and now i have a chinese carbon bike i put them on and they are still going strong.best bars i ever had.strong stiff light.paid 40 bucks

  47. Instead of bikes or parts most of the time looking at this 2……guys. Exactly that is the reason me NOT subscribe. I am seriously not interested to see u 2.

  48. I've been riding a no-brand FR315 Chinese carbon frameset for the past 6 years and it's still going strong. No issues whatsoever except for the bad design of the seat post clamp which was later revised and improved. I've raced on this frameset and put well over 15,000km on it and for that reason I don't believe at all that it is worth spending big money on framesets and components made by big name brands. They're just screwing cyclists with their 90% profit margins all with the excuse that its expensive because of the R&D. Yeah right, not everyone is intoxicated by their Kool Aid.

  49. Isn't it ironic: these firms outsourced production to china to maximize profits. Now it comes to haunt them .

  50. I only purchase frames from China. On my 4th. One actually developed a small crack at the chainstay connection and the seller warrantied the frame and sent me a new one for shipping charges only.
    So far so good.

  51. Perhaps if manufactures and big brand bike companies brought their prices down then maybe cyclists wouldn’t have to go and search for the cheaper fake option.

  52. Buy a FSA handlebar copy on Ebay. What would happen if it snapped while you are on a bike lane next to cars going 50 MPH. I think of this often and it is not something you want to easily dismiss. There are a lot of junk manufacturers who think of merely selling and not making a proper name for themselves

  53. i have heard rumours that all frames and gear are made in the very same factories in China, but i will never believe that Chinese companies, would hold themselves to the same quality standards that Specialized et al allegedly conform to, except at the minimal level legally required to ensure profit. why in god's name would i trust my life ( on a bike, you risk it always ) to some cheap ass chinese conglomerate, and if something went wrong with a Yoleo wheel set from there, what recourse would i possibly have??

    don't believe the hype. China will never make good stuff unless supervised ! where do you think these fakes come from?? China, of course.

    like my Castelli kit, for example. the exact same kit can be made in a variety of Euro countries, some of them conveniently poor, then some made in Italy. all the same price, but the crap stuff is slightly cheaper if current season vs last season Italian stuff at half price.

    , but the quality difference is noticeable. and noteworthy. the Italian tailors do not spare the thread to the shammy and leave a gap like the cheap ass eastern euro "stichers" ( they barely deserve that insult ) do !

    imagine only half the seams sewn , and the chamois exposed!!

    you don't always get what you pay for. better to wait for old Italian or American or English quality gear than new chinese crap.

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