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TURNING SOUR. APPLE’S TAX ARRANGEMENTS — TAX ARRANGEMENT IN IRELAND AS THE EU PREPARES TO HANDLE THE BIGGEST TAX PENALTY EVER. WHO HACKED THE ELECTION? THE FBI INVESTIGATES HACKS AT A TWO STATE ELECTION BOARDS. WE WILL BREAK THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS DOWN. AND IT’S GO TIME FOR COMMERCIAL DRONE STRAIGHT WE WILL DISCUSS THE LATEST REGULATION AS AMERICAN BUSINESSES TAKE TO THE SKIES. BUT FIRST, TO OUR LEAD. SEE YOU ON THE SEVENTH, APPLE OFFICIALLY ACKNOWLEDGES ITS HIGHLY ANTICIPATED EVENT NEXT WEEK. EVERY SPECK OF THE INVITATION IS UNDER SCRUTINY FOR POSSIBLE HINTS OF WHICH PRODUCT UPGRADE MAY BE REVEALED. NEXT YOU RUN HER RATION IPHONES AT APPLE WATCHES ALSO ON OUR RADAR. ANOTHER STORY LOOMING LARGE OVER THE MOST VALUABLE PUBLIC COMPANY IN THE WORLD, EUROPEAN REGULATORS COULD ANNOUNCE AS EARLY AS TUESDAY THAT APPLE IS ON THE HOOK FOR UP TO $19 BILLION IN TAXES, EUROPE’S LARGEST PENALTY EVER. THIS WOULD CULMINATE A THREE-YEAR INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER IRELAND GAVE APPLE A SWEETHEART DEAL IN RETURN FOR CREATING JOBS THERE. JOINING ME TO DISCUSS, A SENIOR REACH — RESEARCH ANALYST, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA PROFESSOR, AN EXPERT IN INTERNATIONAL TAX LAWS, AND R BLOOMBERG REPORTER WHO COVERS APPLE WITH ME IN THE STUDIO. ALEX, $19 BILLION, I BELIEVE THAT’S WHAT A J.P. MORGAN ANALYST CAME UP WITH. VASTLY DIFFERENT. WHAT ARE WE LIKELY TO SEE HERE?>>THIS $19 BILLION FIGURE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. THE IRISH TIMES LIKELY REVISE THE FIGURE UP A BIT. WE THINK IT WILL BE IN THE HANDFUL OF BILLIONS, POSSIBLY. SOURCES AT THIS STAGE, WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE ACTION NUMBER IS WHEN WE WAKE UP TOMORROW ON THE WEST COAST. EMILY: HOW ARE YOU MODELING THIS OUT? WHAT IS LIKELY SCENARIO?>>THE WORSE CASE AND AREA IS $19 BILLION, IF THAT HAPPENS, IT IS ABOUT 12% OF THE AVAILABLE CASH FOR APPLE. THE NUMBER IS A HUGE NUMBER, BUT SOMETHING INVESTORS DON’T GIVE APPLE MUCH CREDIT FOR THEIR CASH ANYWAY. IN SOME RESPECTS, IT’S A GREAT THING TO WATCH BUT REALLY DOESN’T IMPACT THE VALUATION ON THE STORY. THAT’S HOW WE WOULD THINK ABOUT IT, WE ARE PLAYING FOR THE WORST-CASE AND THINKING IT IS A 12% HIT TO THEIR CASH. EMILY: YOU ARE SAYING THAT WORST-CASE SCENARIO IS UNLIKELY. WHY?>>A BIG ISSUE IS IF THE EUROPEANS PLAY HARDBALL TOO MUCH , IT’S GOING TO DETER APPLE AND OTHER COMPANIES FROM REPORTING ANY TAXABLE INCOME IN EUROPE. ONE ANALOGY WOULD BE IN IOWA CORN FARMER WHO FOLLOWS HIS CORN TO MEXICO, IF THE MEXICANS TRY AND TAX THE IOWA CORN FARMER, WHAT’S THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. THERE’S AN ANALOGY HERE, WHY ARE THE EUROPEANS TAXING THE INCOME OF AN AMERICAN CORPORATION? EMILY: ON THAT NOTE, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS STEPPED UP ITS RHETORIC IN DEFENSE OF APPLE. TALKING ABOUT IRELAND BEING A SUPER NATIONAL TAX AUTHORITY, MAYBE INDICATING THEY ARE OVERSTEPPING THEIR BOUNDS. THIS ISSUE OF WHETHER U.S. COMPANIES HAVE HAD TAX HAVENS IN EUROPE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME, AND DEFRAUDING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.>>IT’S NOT AS THOUGH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT DOESN’T WANT APPLE TO PAY TAX. HE WANTS IT TO PAY ITS TAX HERE IN THE U.S. THAT IS IS WHY IT IS HARD FALLING IN THE AMERICAN SENSE AGAINST THE EUROPEAN AUTHORITIES AND AGAINST IRELAND, BECAUSE IT WANTS THAT MONEY TO GO INTO U.S. COFFERS. EMILY: WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR READ ON THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION OF HOW SERIOUS IT CAN BE FOR APPLE? AND NOT JUST APPLE, BUT OTHER U.S. TECH COMPANIES.>>FROM A VALUATION PERSPECTIVE ON THE SCALE OF 1 TO 10, 10 BEING REALLY BAD, IT’S PROBABLY A 2 OR 3. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL IMPACT SOME OF THEIR CASH. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GETTING CASH BACK TO THE U.S. THAT’S THE AND GOAL ULTIMATELY FOR APPLE, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF TAG FOR IT. THIS IS 2 OR 3 IN TERMS OF SEVERITY. ULTIMATELY THEY WILL HAVE SOME SMALL FINE AND HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE WE WILL HAVE SOME TAX HOLIDAY WHERE APPLICANTS WILL BRING IT ACT MAY BE AT 20%, — BACK MAYBE A 20%, SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE. EMILY: THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION HAS FOR SOME COMPANIES TO THE GOVERNMENT OF BELGIUM, THE GOVERNMENT OF THE NETHERLANDS. WHAT SORT OF CASCADING ISSUES COULD YOU SEE AFTER WE GET THIS DECISION FROM THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION?>>ONE ISSUE IS THAT ANY TAXES PAID IN EUROPE ARE A CREDIT AGAINST U.S. TAXES. THERE IS COMMENTED ABOUT DEFRAUDING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. I THINK THAT’S TOO STRONG. THIS IS TAX DEFERRAL. ANY TAXES PAID IN EUROPE WOULD BE A CREDIT AGAINST FUTURE U.S. TAXES, AND THAT’S ONE REASON THE U.S. GOVERNMENT ISN’T IN FAVOR OF APPLE PAYING MORE TAXES IN EUROPE BECAUSE EVENTUALLY IT’S GOING TO RESULT IN LESS TAXES PAID IN THE UNITED STATES. EMILY: “THE FINANCIAL TIMES” REPORTING THAT MARGARET FESTER — MARGARET FESTER HAS HANDED OUT A 130 PAGE JUDGMENT TO THE ORGANIZATION, CALLING THIS ILLEGAL. SHE HAS TAKEN A VERY STRONG ANTI-COMPETITION STANCE, AND A LOT OF U.S. EXECUTIVES, INCLUDING THE CHAIRMAN OF ALPHABET, HAS EXPLAINED THAT EUROPE IS GETTING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH. HOW DO YOU SEE THIS PROGRESSING?>>YOU ARE GENERALLY — IT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION GENERALLY BECAUSE OF BREXIT TRADED THERE’S AN ELEMENT OF TRYING TO ENSURE THAT EUROPE RETAINS CONTROL OF ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF POLICY. TAX IS ONE OF THEM. TRYING TO ENSURE THAT IT DOESN’T DISINTEGRATE IN A REGULATORY SENSE. CENTRALIZING POWER AND STEPPING AUTHORITY FOR EACH COMMISSIONER — THERE IS CERTAINLY AN ELEMENT OF LIKE STAMPING HER AUTHORITY ON THE REMIT. EMILY: COULD USE A BROADER INTERNATIONAL TAX REFORM AS A RESULT OF THIS?>>IT’S POSSIBLE. ONE ANALOGY HERE IS THIS IS AN INTRA-EUROPEAN ISSUE, JUST AS FOR INSTANCE ILLINOIS OFFERED TAX INCENTIVES TO GET GOING TO RELOCATE THERE HAD — BOEING TO RELOCATE THEIR HEADQUARTERS TO ILLINOIS. PARTLY THE EUROPEAN UNION IS COMPLAINING THAT IRELAND IS ASKING APPLE AND OTHER COMPANIES TO PAY A LOWER TAX RATE THAN GERMANY OR FRANCE. SO, PARTLY THAT’S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. EMILY: ANY CHANCE APPLE WOULD ACTUALLY EVER LEAVE IRELAND?>>NO, I THINK WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE IS THERE’S GOING TO BE SOME TWEAK IN TERMS OF HOW THEY CHARGE U.S. COMPANIES. THEY WILL PROBABLY STILL DO SOME THINGS THROUGH IRELAND AND A YEAR FROM NOW WILL HAVE A HIGHER TAX RATE AND MOVE FORWARD.>>THE ONE THING IT POINTS OUT FROM A BROADER EUROPEAN LEVEL IS THE DIFFICULTY YOU HAVE IN THE EUROPEAN UNION, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT FISCAL REGIMES ACROSS THE REGION, AND THAT POINTS TO ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WITH THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION, IT MAKES IT HARD TO HAVE ANY SENSE OF CONSISTENCY. EMILY: ALEX WEBB COVERS APPLE. THANK YOU. GENE MUNSTER, PIPER JAFFRAY GREAT YOU ARE STICKING WITH ME. J RITTER, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, PROFESSOR OF FINANCE. THANK YOU AS WELL. COMING UP, WHAT HITS ARE HIDDEN IN APPLE’S FILING? WE WILL BREAK DOWN EVERYTHING WE KNOW SO FAR. NEXT, CLEAR FOR TAKEOFF. THE NEW REGULATION THAT COULD GET COMMERCIAL DRONES IN THE AIR FASTER. DETAILS LATER IN THE SHOW. ♪ EMILY: APPLES SEPTEMBER 7 PRODUCT EVENT IS NOW CONFIRMED. THE COMPANY SENT OUT THESE DIGITAL SAVE THE DATES AND AS USUAL, IT SET THE INTERNET ABLAZE WITH SPECULATION. THE OUT OF FOCUS COLORED LIGHTS IN THE BACKGROUND AND THE USE OF THE WORD SEE IN THE TEXT LED MANY TO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL HEAR ABOUT CAMERA UPDATES. STILL WITH US, OUR BLOOMBERG NEWS REPORTER MARKET HERMAN. A HANDFUL OF SCOOPS ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE LEADING UP TO THIS. THE OUT OF FOCUS LIGHTS, DEPTH OF FIELD CAMERA TECHNOLOGY, IPHONE SEVEN ON SEPTEMBER 7. ANY HINTS THERE?>>I AGREE WITH YOU. THOSE OUT OF FOCUS BUBBLES ARE PRETTY INDICATIVE OF CAMERA TALK. THE WORD SEE, I THINK THERE’S A COUPLE OTHER THINGS GOING ON THERE. THERE’S TWO OF THE DOTS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM THAT ARE REALLY MORE IN FOCUS THAN THE REST, THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. IT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE THE DUAL CAMERA SET UP WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE LARGER OF THE TWO MODELS, AND THE ROUND BUTTONS ARE INDICATIVE OF THE SHAPE OF THE HOME BUTTON. WHEN APPLE ANNOUNCED THE TOUCH ID, BACK IN 2013, THE INVITATION LOOKED PRETTY SIMILAR AND PEOPLE REALIZED AFTER, THOUGH CIRCLES ARE IN REFERENCE TO THAT HOME BUTTON. WE ARE HERE AND THAT THE HOME BUTTON ON THIS YEAR’S MODEL WILL BE PRESSURE SENSITIVE. MAYBE IT’S INDICATING THAT AS WELL. EMILY: YOU HAVE TAKEN A MUCH CLOSER LOOK AT THIS THAN ANYBODY ELSE I’VE HEARD FROM. AS YOU REPORTED, WE ARE EXPECTING DUAL CAMERA PROCESSING ON THE NEW IPHONE. BASICALLY TWO CAMERAS THAT MERGE TWO PHOTOS INTO ONE PHOTO. TELL US WHAT TO EXPECT. I KNOW YOU’VE BASICALLY REPORTED OUT THE ENTIRE EVENT. BUT AS OF NOW, WHERE DOES IT STAND?>>TO RECAP, WE ARE HEARING THERE WILL BE A LOT OF IOS AND WATCH OS TALKS. THEY WILL BE INTRODUCING THE NEW IPHONE. MAYBE THEY WILL CALL FOR 7. MAYBE THEY WILL CALL IT THE SE. DESIGN WILL LOOK FAIRLY SIMILAR TO THE IPHONE 6S AND IPHONE 6. IT WILL HAVE A PRESSURE SENSITIVE HOME BUTTON, WHICH WILL VIBRATE IN REACTION TO HOW HARD YOU PRESS ON IT. THERE WILL BE THE NEW CAMERA SYSTEM, WHICH HAS FAR BETTER ZOOM AND A MUCH FASTER PROCESSOR WHICH WORKS HAND-IN-HAND WITH THE NEW CAMERA. THERE WILL ALSO BE A NEW APPLE WATCH. HEALTH TRACKING FEATURES AS WELL AS GPS FOR MORE ACCURATE RUNNING. EMILY: I’M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO SOME OF MARK’S STORIES. YOU ALSO GET YOUR OWN SOURCES. DOES THIS RING TRUE TO WHAT YOU ARE EXPECTING, YOU IPHONES, NEW APPLE WATCHES, NOT HUGE DESIGN CHANGES, BUT NEW FEATURES THAT MARK JUST MENTIONED?>>MARKET COVERED IT ALL. — MARK COVERED IT ALL. THE HEADPHONE JACK GETTING REMOVED — I DON’T THINK THAT WILL CAUSE ANYBODY TO BUY AN IPHONE. IT’S ONE OF THOSE SECOND OR THIRD LEVEL UPDATES. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS SOME IMPORTANT THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH JUST A BETTER CAMERA. IT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM JUST HOW YOU TAKE PICTURES AND VIDEOS TO THIS IDEA OF A DEVICE FOR AUGMENTED REALITY, WHICH THE WHOLE POKEMON THEME IS PLAYING INTO. THE GROUNDWORK FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MIGHT BE AT FIRST BLUSH. EMILY: HOW ARE YOU MODELING OUT A POTENTIAL BOOST IN SALES HERE? OBVIOUSLY NO MAJOR DESIGN CHANGES. SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE’S NO HEADPHONE JACK. HOW MANY NEW IPHONES ARE THEY ACTUALLY GOING TO SELL AS A RESULT OF THESE UPDATES IN THE FOURTH ORDER? — QUARTER?>>WE THINK OF THIS AS A FOUR QUARTER UPDATE. IN TOTAL WE THINK THEY WILL SELL 235 MILLION PHONES OVER THE NEXT YEAR. TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST CYCLE, THE BIGGEST WAVE OF PEOPLE WITH OLD PHONES COMING INTO A CYCLE. WE ESTIMATE THERE’S 275 MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE PHONES THAT ARE TWO YEARS OLD OR OLDER. IN SOME WAYS, THIS IS NOT A VERY EXCITING IPHONE UPGRADE. THAT POOL OF REALLY OLD PHONES SHOULD POWER THAT THROUGH. WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE NUMBERS, WE GO FROM DOWN ABOUT 10% TO 15% YEAR-OVER-YEAR TO UP ABOUT 10% TO 15%. YOU SHOULD SEE A DRAMATIC SWING BACK IN TERMS OF THAT VERY TOUGH IPHONE 6S CYCLE. EMILY: WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS BUILDING OUT THEIR SOFTWARE AND SERVICES, BUT YOU STILL REPORTED SOME NEW HARDWARE ENHANCEMENTS COMING TO THE IPAD. TELL US ABOUT THAT.>>THESE AREN’T LIKELY TO BE SHOWN AT THIS EVENT ON SEPTEMBER 7, BUT APPLES WORKING I BUNCH OF NEW MAC RELATED PRODUCTS AND NEW IPAD FEATURES. STARTING WITH THE MAC, THEY ARE WORKING ON THE SIGNIFICANT MAC PRO UPDATE WE REPORTED ON EARLIER THIS MONTH WITH A THIN DIGITAL SCREEN WITH THE BUTTONS ON THE KEYBOARD THE CHANGE BASED IN WHAT YOU ARE DOING. THAT WILL BE A BIG UPDATE FOR THE HIGH-TECH CROWD. WE’RE ALSO HEARING FASTER MACBO OK AIRS. ALSO, APPLE IS COLLABORATING WITH LG ELECTRONICS OUT OF SOUTH KOREA ON A NEW MONITOR. THIS MONITOR WOULD BE 5K, SEVEN TIMES THE RESOLUTION IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE AS YOUR TYPICAL 1080P TELEVISION. SO, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BIG UPDATES ON THE MAC SIDE. EMILY: WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE BOTTOM LINE? IPAD SALES HAVE NOT BEEN GROWING THE WAY THEY WERE. MACBOOK SALES HAVE BEEN HEALTHIER THAN MANY EXPECTED. WHAT DO YOU SEE?>>I THINK JUST DON’T OVERTHINK IT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS GOING TO IMPROVE NICELY. WE TALK ABOUT A 15% REVENUE BOOST FROM NEXT TO NEXT YEAR, AND EARNINGS SHOULD OUTPACE THAT SLIGHTLY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS STILL ALL ABOUT THE IPHONE AND THESE OTHER PRODUCTS ARE COLLECTIVELY 35% OF THE BUSINESS. IT’S ABOUT THE IPHONE, THE IPHONE SHOULD HAVE A GOOD CYCLE, AND IF WE WERE WRONG AND WE BLOW IT ON THIS ONE, WE SHOULD CATCH UP AND HAVE AN EVEN BETTER CYCLE IN 2017 WITH THE ANNIVERSARY EDITION. EMILY: ANY POSSIBLE SURPRISES? WHAT COULD THAT ONE MORE THING BE?>>I THINK YOU’VE DONE A GREAT JOB REPORTING ON ALL THE FEATURES ON THIS. I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO BE SURPRISED. MAYBE ONE OTHER THING MAY BE ON THE CONTENT SIDE, SOME NEW PARTNERSHIP THERE, BUT THAT’S A STRETCH. EMILY: MARK, ANYTHING WE DON’T KNOW? MARK: I DON’T WANT TO SPECULATE ON ANYTHING WE HAVEN’T REPORTED. WHEN WE DO REPORT SOMETHING, YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO KNOW. EMILY: R BLOOMBERG NEWS APPLE REPORTER AND GENE MUNSTER OF PIPER JAFFRAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE FBI SAYS HACKERS HAVE INFILTRATED THE ELECTION BOARDS OF AT LEAST 2 STATES, AS OFFICIALS WARNED THAT FOREIGN HACKERS MIGHT TRY TO MEDDLE WITH U.S. ELECTIONS THIS NOVEMBER. WHAT WE KNOW, NEXT. PLUS, HOSPITALS ARE NOW PRESCRIBING PATIENT’S A HEALTHY DOSE OF VIRTUAL REALITY. WHY VR IS BECOMING THE MORE AFFORDABLE OPTION FOR DOCTORS. ♪ EMILY: ON TODAY’S FUNDING BOARD, A DIGITAL PAYMENTS AND E-COMMERCE STARTUP IS RAISING $300 MILLION AT A VALUATION OF $5 BILLION, MORE THAN DOUBLE ITS PRE-MONEY PRICE TAG. THE LATEST ROUND WILL BE LED BY TAIWAN’S MEDIATECH. EXISTING INVESTORS INCLUDE ALIBABA. IT’S A BRIGHT SPOT FOR VENTURE INVESTMENTS IN INDIA, WHICH SLOWED THIS YEAR AFTER HITTING AN $8.9 BILLION RECORD IN 2015. THE FBI IS INVESTIGATING HACK ATTACKS ON POLICE TWO STATE ELECTION BOARDS, ONE OF WHICH WE KNOW RESULTED IN DATA BEING STOLEN. THE MORE RECENT OF THE TWO HACKS HAPPENED THIS MONTH. OUR NATIONAL SECURITY REPORTER IS STANDING BY IN WASHINGTON WITH THE DETAILS. WHAT DO WE KNOW? WHAT WAS STOLEN?>>WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IS THAT TWO STATE ELECTION BOARDS HAD INTRUSION. LAST MONTH IN JULY, ONE OF THE STATES WEBSITES. DATA WAS STOLEN. THIS MONTH WE KNOW THAT A SYSTEM FOR ONE OF THE ELECTION BOARDS WAS BREACHED. WE DON’T KNOW WHICH STATES THESE WERE. THE FBI HAS NOT COME OUT AND SAID PUBLICLY WHAT THEY ARE. WE DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF DATA WAS TAKEN. THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR. THIS KIND OF DATA IS PRETTY COMPRISED. IT HAS PUT HER REGISTRATION INFORMATION, SOME OF WHICH IS PUBLIC. CYBER CRIMINALS LIKE TO TAKE THIS AND PUT IT UP FOR SALE ON THE DARK WEB. SO FAR THE FBI HAS PUT OUT A LIST OF IP ADDRESSES LINKED TO THESE INTRUSIONS. THEY ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO ACTUALLY CONDUCTED THESE INTRUSIONS. THE FBI IS ASKING STATES TO CHECK WITH THEIR ELECTION BOARDS TO SEE IF THEY HAVE HAD SIMILAR TYPES OF ACTIVITY IN THEIR LOGS. EMILY: IS THIS SOMETHING A LOW LEVEL HACKER COULD HAVE DONE?>>RIGHT NOW ANALYSTS ARE GOING THROUGH THE CODE. IT DOESN’T NECESSARILY SEEM LIKE IT IS SOMETHING SUPER SOPHISTICATED. I WAS TALKING TO ONE ANALYST TODAY AND WAS SAYING THIS IS SO WIDESPREAD, COUNTRIES ACROSS THE WORLD FACE THIS KIND OF THREAT IN TERMS OF CRIMINAL, CYBER CRIMINALS TRYING TO HACK INTO ELECTIONS AND VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION BECAUSE THERE’S A LOT OF PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT COULD BE VALUABLE FOR PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WANT TO COMPROMISE PEOPLES SECURITY. SO WE DON’T KNOW EXACTLY JUST YET, BUT WE’RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO LINK ALSO, THOSE IP ADDRESSES, SEEING IF IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING WE HAVE SEEN EARLIER IN OTHER KINDS OF TALKS. EMILY: WE HAVE BEEN REPORTING THE HACK ON THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION, AND POTENTIAL LINKS TO RUSSIA. IT IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT RUSSIA HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME WAY. IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT RUSSIA OR A STATE ACTOR COULD BE BEHIND THIS?>>WE HAVE HEARD U.S. OFFICIALLY’S AND DIVERSE SECURITY FIRMS MENTIONED THAT FOR A NATION STATES MAY TRY TO EITHER MEDDLE IN U.S. ELECTIONS OR TRY TO HACK INTO VOTING SYSTEMS, ESPECIALLY RUSSIA. AS OF NOW, WE DON’T KNOW EXACTLY IF THIS PARTICULAR INTRUSION ON THE STATE ELECTION BOARDS ARE RUSSIA. RUSSIA HAS DENIED BEING INVOLVED IN THE DNC HACK. WE HAVE SEEN THIS STATE OF INCIDENTS RECENTLY JUST IN THIS YEAR. IT’S BEEN A LONGTIME CONCERN, WHETHER ELECTIONS CAN BE HACKED. WE HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THAT BEFORE. IT’S DIFFERENT THIS TIME THAT WE ARE SEEING — WE ARE A LOT GOING ON. I THINK THAT’S KIND OF — PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHAT’S THE MOTIVATION. EARLIER WE SAID DNC WAS LINKED TO RUSSIA. EMILY: R BLOOMBERG NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY REPORTER IN WASHINGTON. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US UPDATED. COMING UP, COMMERCIAL DRONES ARE TAKING TO THE SKIES AT WORK SPEED. WE WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS . IF YOU LIKE BLOOMBERG NEWS, CHECK US OUT ON THE RADIO. LISTEN ON THE BLOOMBERG RADIO APP, BLOOMBERG.COM, AND IN THE U.S. ON SERIOUS XM. — SIRIUS XM. ♪ MARK: MUST BEGIN WITH A CHECK OF YOUR FIRST WORD NEWS. ONE OF HILLARY CLINTON’S CLOSEST AIDES SAYS SHE IS SEPARATING FROM HER SCANDAL PLAGUED HUSBAND, FORMER NEW YORK CONGRESSMAN ANTHONY WEINER. HE RESIGNED FROM CONGRESS IN 2011 AFTER HE WAS CAUGHT TEXTING INTIMATE PICTURES OF HIMSELF TO WOMEN. SOME MORE PHOTOS HAVE ARISEN. THE FBI’S INVESTIGATING HACKING ATTACKS ON A LEAST 2 STATE ELECTION BOARDS, ONE OF WHICH RESULTED IN DATA BEING STOLEN. THAT’S ACCORDING TO AN ALERT FROM THE AGENCY’S CYBER DIVISION. U.S. OFFICIALS RAISED THE POSSIBILITY FOREIGN HACKERS MIGHT TRY TO HACK INTO VOTING SYSTEMS. TAKING CENTER STAGE IN THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION OF FRANCE’S REPUBLICAN PARTY, ISLAMIC EACH WEAR. NICOLAS SARKOZY SAYS HE CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION TO ALLOW NATIONWIDE PROHIBITION OF THE BURKINI. LAST WEEK A TOP COURT STRUCK DOWN A LOCAL BAN ON THE BODY COVERING GARMENTS. GENE WILDER, THE STAR OF “WILLIE WALKER AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY” AND MEL BROOKS COMEDIES, HAS DIED. HE WAS SUFFERING FROM ALZHEIMER’S DISEASE. JUNE WILDER WAS 83 YEARS OLD. GLOBAL NEWS 24 HOURS A DAY, POWERED BY MORE THAN 2600 JOURNALISTS AND ANALYSTS IN MORE THAN 120 COUNTRIES. I AM MARK CRUMPTON. THIS IS BLOOMBERG. IT IS 8:30 TUESDAY MORNING IN SYDNEY. MY COLLEAGUE PAUL ALLEN HAS A LOOK AT THE MARKETS. GOOD MORNING. PAUL: GOOD MORNING, MARK. SOME STRONG GAINS IN THE U.S.. AFTER A STRONG START ON TUESDAY MORNING. FUTURES INDICATE A BRIGHT START LOCALLY ON THE ASX IN AUSTRALIA AND THE NIKKEI IN JAPAN. A LOT OF DATA OUT OF JAPAN TODAY, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FOR JULY WILL BE UP. IT’S EXPECTED TO REMAIN STEADY AT 3.1% RATE GOOD JOBS NUMBERS MEANS POSSIBLE WAGE PRESSURE AND IMPROVED HOPES THAT THE BANK OF JAPAN MIGHT REACH ITS 2% INFLATION TARGET, ALSO EXPECTING HOUSEHOLD SPENDING AND RETAIL SALES OUT OF JAPAN AS WELL. IT WILL BE WORTH WATCHING MITSUBISHI MOTORS AT THE OPEN, THE TROUBLE THERE SEEMS TO KEEP ON BREWING. SHARES ALREADY OFF 50% YEAR TO DATE, AND THERE’S REPORTS FROM LOCAL MEDIA TODAY THAT FURTHER 8 MODELS OF CARS DON’T MEET MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT FUEL EFFICIENCY LEVELS. THAT WAS STATED BY MITSUBISHI MOTORS. THE COMPANY MAY CONSIDER COMPENSATING OWNERS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEIR ADVERTISED LEVELS AND THE MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT YEARS — FIGURES TOO WIDE. SAMSONITE INTERNATIONAL, BANK OF CHINA AND ICBC AMONG THEM. I’M PAUL ALLEN. ♪ EMILY: THOUSANDS OF WOULD-BE JOHN PILOTS RACING TO GET LICENSED UNDER NEW FAA REGULATIONS THAT JUST WENT INTO EFFECT. THE NEW RULES FREES COMPANIES FROM HAVING TO REQUEST SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM THE GOVERNMENT FOR COMMERCIAL DRONE USE, A PROCESS THAT OFTEN TOOK MONTHS. 3000 PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO TAKE THE TEST SO FAR AND THE FAA ESTIMATING THE NUMBER OF DRONE OPERATORS WILL EXCEED THE NATION’S 171,000 PRIVATE PILOTS WITHIN A YEAR. JOINING ME TO DISCUSS FROM NEW YORK, VERIFY COFOUNDER AND CEO JAY BREGMAN. THE COMPANY OFFERS ON-DEMAND DRONE INSURANCE. AND ALAN LEVAN JOINING US FROM WASHINGTON. ALAN, LAY OUT THE NEW RULES AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT USERS AS OF NOW. ALAN: BEFORE YOU COULD FLY A DRONE COMMERCIALLY, BUT YOU HAD TO GET A SPECIAL EXEMPTION. IT INITIALLY TOOK QUITE A WHILE. YOU HAD TO BE A LICENSED PILOT. NOW YOU CAN JUST DO IT AS A MATTER OF COURSE. YOU HAVE TO GET A LICENSE, BUT IT’S MUCH EASIER. YOU HAVE TO PASS A KNOWLEDGE TEST. AS YOU SAID, 3000 PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO TAKE THAT TEST ALREADY TODAY. IT TAKES ABOUT 10 DAYS TO GET THE LICENSE GOING. ONCE THAT HAPPENS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FLY PRETTY MUCH AT WILL AFTER THAT. THERE ARE A FEW RESTRICTIONS. YOU CAN’T FLY OVER PEOPLE. IT’S DAYTIME ONLY AT LOW ALTITUDE. OTHERWISE IT’S REALLY OPENING UP TO A LOT MORE PEOPLE. EMILY: JAY, WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THESE NEW RULES AND WHAT DON’T YOU LIKE? JAY: WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THESE NEW RULES IS THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY YOU CAN GO INTO AN APPLE STORE, BY A PHANTOM 4, TAKE A TEST AT ONE OF 600 TEST CENTERS, GET FITTED SIMILAR TO TSA PRE, GET INSURANCE, AND GET YOUR CERTIFICATE TO BE A REMOTE PILOT, AND MAKE THE MONEY BACK IT COSTS YOU TO BUY THAT DRONE AND PROBABLY A NUMBER OF WEEKS. THAT IS REALLY EXCITING FOR AN INDUSTRY. EMILY: IS THERE ANY AREA IN WHICH YOU WISH THESE RULES WENT FURTHER OR ANYTHING YOU DISLIKE ABOUT THEM? JAY: OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEIR NERVOUSNESS AROUND A WAIVER PROCESS. ALMOST EVERY PROVISION OF THIS NEW RULE HAS A — THE ABILITY TO SUBMIT A WAIVER ONLINE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO FLY, FOR EXAMPLE, NEAR A CERTAIN AIRPORTS, OR OTHER TYPES OF CONDITIONS THAT ARE NORMALLY PROHIBITED. THEY ARE A BIT NERVOUS ABOUT HOW THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO WORK AND HOW MUCH TIME IT’S GOING TO TAKE, BUT TIME WILL TELL. EMILY: TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RULES FOR HOBBYISTS, OR THE LACK THEREOF. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IF YOU ARE I WANT TO BUY A DRONE AND USE IT FOR FUN, WE DON’T REALLY HAVE ANY RULES TO FOLLOW. ALAN: YES AND NO. THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC RULES. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF A COMMUNITY OR ORGANIZATION. BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS, VERY MUCH SIMILAR TO THIS COMMERCIAL RULE, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO FLY OVER PEOPLE, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO TOO HIGH, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO NEAR AIRPORTS, ETC. THERE ARE CERTAINLY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WELL THAT IS ENFORCED. WE HAVE SEEN HUNDREDS OF REPORTS OF DRONES FLYING NEAR PLANES AND WHATNOT. ESSENTIALLY, THE RULES ARE VERY SIMILAR. EMILY: I WAS SPEAKING TO THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION, ANTHONY FOXX, LAST WEEK, ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE AND THE FACT THAT OUR RULES FOR HOBBYISTS COULD POTENTIALLY GO FURTHER. WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON WHETHER MORE REGULATION IS NEEDED IN THAT AREA, OR WHAT? JAY: WE THINK MORE EDUCATION IS NEEDED. REALLY IT’S ABOUT LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT BE DOING RATHER THAN ANY FORM OF REGULATION AGAINST THEM, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING VERY WELL. REALLY MAKING SURE THERE IS MATERIAL IN EVERY BOX TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE DOING. EMILY: TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT SECRETARY FOX HAD TO SAY ABOUT THESE NEW RULES AND WHAT SORT OF INDUSTRY THEY COULD HELP OPEN UP WHEN IT COMES TO DRONES. TAKE A LISTEN.>>IT WILL REALLY OPEN THE DOOR TO MANY, MANY MORE COMMERCIAL USES. ON THE OTHER HAND, AS WE HAVE COMMERCIAL USES, THE HOBBYISTS, AIRPLANES, THE INTEGRATION OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT USES INTO A SINGLE SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE THE MOST COMPLICATED PART OF THIS. EMILY: LET’S TALK ABOUT THE INDUSTRIES THAT THIS WILL AFFECT MOST. THERE IS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT AGRICULTURE, TRANSPORTATION. WHAT DO YOU SEE? ALAN: ON THE GROUND, IMAGING IS THE NUMBER ONE VERTICAL. THAT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE REAL ESTATE PHOTOGRAPHY, EVENT PHOTOGRAPHY, WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHY . ANYBODY WHO’S A PHOTOGRAPHY IS NOW BASICALLY A DRONE PHOTOGRAPHER, AND PROBABLY WILL BE GOING OUT TO GET A PART 107 LICENSE. THE REMAINING LARGE AREAS ARE INSPECTIONS, AND THAT COULD MEAN ANYTHING FROM ROOF INSPECTIONS TO SELL TOWER INSPECTIONS TO ANY OTHER NUMBER OF THINGS PEOPLE EXPECTED WITH HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE MORE EFFICIENT AND SAFELY DONE WITH DRONES. EMILY: WHAT ABOUT AMAZON? HOW FAR OFF IS AN AMAZON DRONE, DELIVERING MY PACKAGES TO MY DOORSTEP?>>AMAZON IS DOING MOST OF ITS TESTING IN CAMBRIDGE AND THE U.K. RIGHT NOW. WE DON’T KNOW HOW FAR THEY HAVE GOTTEN WITH IT. FROM A REGULATORY POINT OF VIEW, THERE ARE SOME STUMBLING BLOCKS INSIDE DEPARTMENT 107 REGULATION THAT THEY, GOOGLE AND OTHERS WISH COULD HAVE GONE FURTHER. WHICH IS REALLY HAVE TO SEE HOW THE TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPS AND HOW THE PROCESS DEVELOPS AROUND THESE DELIVERIES. EMILY: ALAN, AS THE PERSON REPORTING ON THESE ISSUES, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE NEXT FRONTIER, THE NEXT STORY, THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT COMES TO DRONES AND DRONES REGULATION? ALAN: IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE SEEING A CRITICAL MASS HERE OF CHANGE. WE ARE GOING TO SEE BY THE END OF THE YEAR RULES THAT WILL ALLOW DRONES TO FLY DIRECTLY OVER PEOPLE. IT WILL BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE AT FIRST, COVERING THE DRONE WITH HOME SO IF IT FALLS HE WILL NOT HURT ANYBODY. THE NEXT STEP WILL BE TO GIVE BROADER PERMISSION TO FLY LONG DISTANCES, SO REAL ROADS, POWER COMPANIES WANT TO BE ABLE TO FLY THESE THINGS MILES AND MILES OVER INFRASTRUCTURE TO INSPECT THEM AND USE VIDEO LINKS. ONCE THAT HAPPENS, I REALLY THINK WE WILL SEE SOME TREMENDOUS GROWTH, AND THEN AFTER THAT, PROBABLY THESE DELIVERIES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. EMILY: BLOOMBERG NEWS AVIATION REPORTER AND VERIFY CEO JAY BREGMAN, OFFERING ON-DEMAND DRONE INSURANCE. THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US. A STORY WE ARE WATCHING, E-REGULATORS RAISING CONCERNS OVER WHATSAPP PRIVACY CHANGES. THE FACEBOOK OWNED MESSAGING SERVICE WOULD ALLOW, ONCE UPDATED, TO BE USED FOR ADVERTISING AND WOULD ALLOW BUSINESSES TO REACH ITS MORE THAN ONE BILLION USERS. EU REGULATORS REACTED TODAY BY STRESSING THE EUROPEAN USERS NEED TO REMAIN IN CHARGE OF THEIR PERSONAL DATA. ITALIAN AND BRITISH PRIVACY AUTHORITIES SAID THEY WILL PROBE THE PLANNED CHANGES. WHATSAPP SAID IT COMPLIES WITH EXISTING LAWS AND HAS MADE ITS PRIVACY POLICY EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO USERS. COMING UP, A RIDE HAILING RIVALRY BREWING IN SILICON VALLEY. REPORTS OF UBER SHUTTING OUT ALPHABETS EXECS. FIAT AND SAMSUNG DISCUSS A POSSIBLE DEAL. ♪ EMILY: A STORY WE’RE WATCHING IS A PARTNERSHIP BREWING BETWEEN FEAR CHRYSLER AND SAMSUNG? THE ITALIAN CARMAKER IS LOOKING FOR A TECH TIE UP SO IT DOESN’T GET LEFT HIND IN THE RACE FOR SELF DRIVING CARS. IN RECENT MONTHS WE HAVE SEEN FIAT CHRYSLER PURSUING TALKS WITH APPLE, GOOGLE, UBER, AND AMAZON. HERE IS HOW THE CEO DESCRIBED HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH SAMSUNG CALMEST EKING WITH BLOOMBERG TV IN ROME. SERGIO: WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH SAMSUNG, BOTH AS A SUPPLIER AND POTENTIAL STRATEGIC PARTNER. WHAT I DID SAY WHEN I WAS IN STERLING YESTERDAY IS THAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT BY A VARIETY OF PEOPLE. I THINK IT HAS STRATEGIC VALUE TO US. EMILY: AS WE PREVIOUSLY REPORTED, SAMSUNG IS IN ADVANCED TALKS WITH THE AT TO BUY SOME OR ALL OF THE AUTOMAKERS CAR PARTS BUSINESS. ANALYSTS SAY A DEAL INVOLVING A RALLY COULD BECOME THE BASIS FOR FIAT TO DEVELOP SELF DRIVING CARS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH A TECH.COMPANY — TECH COMPANY. SOME RIVALRY BREWING IN SILICON VALLEY. UBER IS REPORTEDLY BLOCKING A SENIOR ALPHABET EXECUTIVE FROM ATTENDING THE STARTUPS TOWARD MEETINGS. UBER IS SAID TO BE KEEPING INFORMATION FROM A BOARD OBSERVER AND EXECUTIVE AT ALPHABETS VENTURE-CAPITAL ARM, GOOGLE VENTURES. THE DEVELOPMENT HIGHLIGHTS MOUNTING TENSION BETWEEN THE TWO COMPANIES. UNGER HAS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED THAT GOOGLE HAS ITS OWN RIGHT HEALING AVENUE IN DEVELOPMENT, A PROJECT THAT DOVETAILS WITH THE SEARCH GIANT’S DRIVERLESS CAR AMBITIONS. IF GOOGLE WERE TO LAUNCH SUCH A SERVICE, IT WOULD LIKELY COMPETE DIRECTLY WITH UBER. HERE TO GIVE US ALL THE DETAILS IS OUR BLOOMBERG REPORTER, ERIC NEWCOMER. THERE ARE NEW REPORTS THAT GOOGLE’S CHIEF LEGAL COUNSEL ISN’T EVEN ALLOWED INTO THE BOARD MEETING. WHAT’S NEW?>>WE HAVE KNOWN GOGLE-UBER — GOOGLE-UBER FRENEMY STATUS FOR A WHILE. WE HAVE KNOWN GOOGLE VENTURES, THE INVESTOR PART OF GOOGLE, HAS KEPT ITS DISTANCE FROM UBER. NOW WE KNOW THAT UBER IS SAYING, ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION, YOU NEED TO NOT COME TO OUR BOARD MEETINGS. EMILY: GOOGLE VENTURES INVESTED IN UBER EARLY ON. IT MAY NOT HAVE SEEMED EARLY AT THE TIME BUT NOW WE ARE NEAR $70 BILLION VALUATION. THEY HAVE CERTAIN INFORMATION. WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE RIGHTS, NOW THAT THOSE TWO COMPANIES ARE GOING HEAD-TO-HEAD, INCREASINGLY. ERIC: THE IMPORTANT THING HERE, IT’S ALL ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS. THERE ARE LOTS OF INVESTORS WITH RIGHTS TO INFORMATION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT UBER EXECS THINK ABOUT THEM AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PUSH FOR — I THINK YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE SORTS OF THINGS AS NEGOTIATED AND SENSITIVE. I DON’T THINK WE HAVE FULL VISIBILITY INTO WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON THERE. EMILY: THE INFORMATION REPORTING THAT DAVID CRANE, NEW HEAD OF GV, THEY ARE WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM HIM. GOOGLE, WAZE IS GOTTEN INTO RIDESHARING AND CARPOOLING. UBER IS ALSO WORKING ON SELF DRIVING CARS. IT WILL BE THE FIRST TO GET A SELF DRIVING CAR ON THE ROAD IN PITTSBURGH. HOW DO YOU SEE THESE COMPANIES — ERIC: THE CEO OF ROBER HAS SAID — UBER HAS SAID THAT HE SEES SELF DRIVING CARS IS EXISTENTIAL TO UBER’S SUCCESS. SO, THAT IF ANYTHING PUTS THEM ON A COLLISION COURSE. I THINK THIS IS SORT OF INEVITABLE, THAT THERE WOULD BE A MORE PUBLIC VIEWING OF THE POTENTIAL AND FUTURE TENSION OF THE TWO COMPANIES. EMILY: THERE ARE SOME PARALLELS HERE TO GOOGLE AND APPLE. ERIC SCHMIDT WAS ON APPLE’S BOARD FOR A LONG TIME AND EVENTUALLY RESIGNED. COULD WE SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING HERE? ERIC: IT’S VERY SIMILAR. THE FUNNY THING WITH ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS IS, COMPANIES ARE SUPER INTERCONNECTED. UBER IS USING GOOGLE FOR MAPPING. AT THE END OF THE DAY, NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE COMPETING THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP. EMILY: WE ARE GETTING A TWEET IN HERE OVER AT THE BLOOMBERG TERMINAL THAT ALPHABETS DAVID GERMAN HAS LEFT THE UBER BOARD. THERE WE ARE THEN. WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS? ERIC: IT FIRMS UP WHAT HAS BEEN BREWING FOR MORE THAN A YEAR NOW, WHICH IS THAT GOOGLE AND UBER, THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS DETERIORATING AND THIS IS SORT OF A CLEAN WAY TO SAY, OK, NO. WE SHOULD TAKE HIM OFF OUR BOARD. EMILY: A STORY THAT I KNOW WILL CONTINUE. DAVID KRANE REMAINS AN OBSERVER ON THE UBER BOARD. ERIC NEWCOMER, THANK YOU SO MUCH. TOMORROW ON BLOOMBERG, DO NOT AS A CONVERSATION WITH THE FEDERAL RESERVE VICE CHAIR, STANLEY FISCHER. HE SITS DOWN WITH SURVEILLANCE ANCHOR TOM KEENE ON BLOOMBERG TELEVISION AND RADIO. DOCTORS ARE EXAMINING THE EFFECT OF VIRTUAL REALITY ON OUR MINDS. HOW THE NEW TECHNOLOGY COULD HELP WITH PAIN MANAGEMENT, NEXT. ♪ EMILY: FORGET MORPHINE, HOSPITALS ARE NOW TURNING TO VIRTUAL REALITY AS AN EFFECTIVE TREATMENT FOR EVERYTHING FROM INTENSE PAIN TO ALZHEIMER’S TO DEPRESSION. WITH THE PRICE OF HARDWARE FALLING, VR IS OFTEN AN AFFORDABLE OPTION. BLOOMBERGS IN KING TAKES A LOOK AT THE EFFECTS OF VIRTUAL REALITY AND HOW IT AN IMPACT IN MIND. — THE MIND.>>VIRTUAL REALITY IS LIKE A SPOTLIGHT. THE EXPERIENCE OF THE MIND SORT OF BEING IN THIS ENVIRONMENT WHEN IT IS IMMERSED IN THIS SORT OF PEACEFUL, POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT, IT’S ALMOST LIKE THE REST OF YOUR EXPERIENCES ARE UNABLE TO BE NOTICED. IT RECRUITS SO MUCH OF THE BRAIN TO FOCUS ON THAT SPOTLIGHT THAT EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT ENVIRONMENT FALLS TO THE WAYSIDE DURING THAT EXPERIENCE OF VIRTUAL REALITY.>>CEDARS-SINAI IN L.A. IS ONE OF A HANDFUL OF’S BILLS EXPERIMENTING WITH A SURPRISING NEW TREATMENT FOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM ACUTE PAIN.>>I WONDER IF WE CAN STOP ASKING PEOPLE HOW LONG YOU’VE BEEN HERE AT CEDARS-SINAI.>>I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 4 DAYS, FROM CHRONIC BACK PAIN. JUST TAKING SOME MEDICATIONS AND POSSIBLY AN EPIDURAL SOON.>>I’M IN THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE I HAVE A TOTAL ARTIFICIAL HEART, AND LAST WEEK IT HAD A FAILURE. I’VE BEEN ON THE HEART MEDICATION FOR PAIN FOR FIVE YEARS AND I’M REALLY TRYING TO GET OFF OF IT.>>I BEEN HAVING PAIN IN MY LEFT UPPER QUADRANT IN MY RIGHT LOWER QUADRANT THAT GOES INTO MY BACK. I CAN’T RELAX. I’VE HAD EVERY TEST POSSIBLE. IF THERE WAS A SURGERY, I WOULD DO IT TODAY.>>CHRONIC PAIN IS MORE THAN JUST THE PHYSICAL EXPERIENCE. IT’S THE BIOPSYCHOSOCIAL EXPERIENCE. VIRTUAL REALITY HAS A WAY OF AFFECTING PEOPLE PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY, AND TO SOME DEGREE EVEN SOCIALLY.>>I DECIDED TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NEW.>>ALL RIGHT, ARE YOU READY?>>DO YOU WANT TO GO TO ICELAND? ARE YOU AFRAID OF HEIGHTS?>>I’M NOT.>>PERFECT.>>VIRTUAL REALITY UNDOUBTEDLY HAS AN EFFECT IN THE MIND. IT SORT OF HIJACKS THE BRAIN. IT CAN BE USED FOR EVIL, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE USED FOR GOOD.>>WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?>>ICE FORMATIONS. IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GRAB ONE.>>HONESTLY, IN THE 18 YEARS I’VE BEEN PRACTICING MEDICINE, I CAN’T THINK OF ANYTHING I’VE DONE THAT’S MORE EFFECTIVE, AND YOU CAN PHYSICALLY SEE THEIR BODY LANGUAGE CHANGE. THEY OFTEN WILL LOOK STRAIGHT AHEAD LIKE WE ARE LOOKING AT A STILL IMAGE. THE MOMENT THEY TURN THEIR HEAD, THAT IS THE MAGICAL MOMENT.>>IT LITERALLY IS LIKE TOTAL PANORAMA.>>AT THE VERY LEAST, IT DOES NO HARM AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CUT DOWN ON THE NEED FOR DRUGS LIKE MORPHINE, MAKE PATIENTS MORE RELAXED, AND EVEN HAVING THEM WANTING TO GO HOME SOONER.>>WILL THIS BE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT REACH TO BEFORE, LET’S SAY, MORPHINE?>>IN A MILLION YEARS I NEVER WOULD’VE THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT TO A HOSPITAL TO USE.>>THIS HELPS ME RELAX. WHEN THE MUSCLES RELAX, PAIN GOES AWAY.>>VR SEEMS TO TAKE PATIENCE OUT OF THEIR PAIN, AT LEAST FOR A WHILE. IT ALSO SEEMS TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE CONFINES OF THEIR HOSPITAL BEDS. FOR THOSE TRAPPED BY THEIR CONDITION FROM LONG PERIODS, IT MAY HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE STRESS OF EATING IN HOSPITAL.>>– BEING IN HOSPITAL.>>IT’S LIKE A JAIL CELL, REALLY. YOU STILL END UP IN THIS 4X10 ROOM.>>WE NEED A VIRTUAL-REALITY PHARMACY, SHELVES OF VR CONTENT THAT IS EVIDENCE-BASED AND CAN REACH OFF THE SHELF AND MATCH TO MY PATIENTS’ NEEDS. THE MORE WE HAVE THAT, THE BROADER OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO ENGAGE PATIENTS WITH VIRTUAL-REALITY.>>THIS IS NOT ABOUT SILICON VALLEY ENTREPRENEUR IS SOME GREAT IT’S ABOUT WHEN AND WHETHER WE SHOULD INTERACT TECHNOLOGY WITH THE COMPELLING HUMAN EXPERIENCE OF BEING A PATIENT. IT’S NOT A COMPUTING SCIENCE, IS NOT AN ENGINEERING SCIENCE. IT’S A SOCIAL SCIENCE. EMILY: BLOOMBERGS IAN KING REPORTING THEIR. NOW TO A STORY TRENDING ON FACEBOOK, THE FACEBOOK CEO AND HIS WIFE TOOK A TRIP TO VATICAN CITY TO MEET POPE FRANCIS. THE COUPLE MET WITH THE POPE TO DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE OF TECHNOLOGY AND CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD TRADE ZUCKERBERG CAME BEARING GIFTS. THE FACEBOOK CEO GAVE POPE FRANCIS A MODEL OF FACEBOOK’S POWER SOLAR JOAN THAT WILL EXPAND INTERNET CONNECTIVITY TO PARTS OF THE WORLD THAT DON’T HAVE IT. THAT DOES IT FOR THIS EDITION OF “BLOOMBERG WEST.” TOMORROW, AND EXCLUSIVE CONVERSATION WITH AN WILLIAMS. HE WILL BE JOINING US AS A GUEST HOST FOR THE FULL HOUR. THIS IS BLOOMBERG. ♪ ♪ ANNOUNCER: FROM OUR STUDIOS IN NEW YORK CITY, THIS IS “CHARLIE ROSE.” CHARLIE: KENNETH BRENNA IS HERE. HE IS STARRING AT THE ARMORY HERE IN NEW YORK CITY. THE COMPANY FROM MANCHESTER, ENGLAND HAS RECEIVED EXTRAORDINARY REVIEWS. HE REVOKED — EVOKED MEMORIES OF OLIVIER. HERE IS A LOOK AT THE TRAILER.>>WHAT, TELL ME YOU WANT SPEAK TRUE? >>YOU LOOK LIKE A FLOWER.>>IS THIS A DAGGER WHICH I SEE BEFORE ME? >>THE DOOR, UNCERTAINTY DO NOT CHARGE.>>IT WILL BE THE DAGGER.>>ORDER KING ALL.>>ORDERS FROM THE PROVINCE. CHARLIE: I AM PLEASED TO HAVE SIR KENNETH BRENNAGH BACK HERE THIS TABLE. HAVE YOU BEEN WAITING TO DO THIS? KENNETH: I HAVE BEEN CIRCLING IT. IT IS THE COPY I FIRST CAME ACROSS ON OUR KITCHEN TABLE AND I WAS ABOUT 10 OR 11 YEARS OLD, MY BROTHER WAS FIVE YEARS OLDER THAN ME, AND HE WAS DOING IT AT SCHOOL. I SAW THE THREE WYRD SISTERS ON THE COVER. THIS IS THE SAME COPY I HAVE WITH ME EVERY NIGHT, ON MY DRESSING ROOM TABLE. 40 YEARS OF THIS. CHARLIE: IS IT UNIQUE TO DO IT AT THIS TIME IN YOUR LIFE? KENNETH: I THINK I HAD A GREAT OLD ACTING SCHOOL MENTOR WHO USED TO RUN THE ACADEMY OF DRAMATIC ART. HE SAID YOU HAVE GOT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE THE RIGHT AGE, WHATEVER THAT IS. HE SAID YOU MIGHT 30’S AND 40’S, YOU ARE TOO YOUNG. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT. I REVERED HIM. SOMEHOW IT CAME TOGETHER THROUGH VIRTUE, THROUGH MEETING ROB ASHFIELD, MY BRILLIANT CODIRECTOR AND FINDING THE RIGHT ELEMENTS, THE ACTRESS TO BE LEADING MACBETH. THE ELEMENTS STARTED TO PULL TOGETHER. CHARLIE: YOU HAD A 10 YEAR ABSENCE FROM SHAKESPEARE. KENNETH: I HAD, AND LIKE MANY THINGS IN MY CAREER, OTHERS MAY LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY. THESE ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. MY WIFE TALKS ABOUT IT. SHE SAYS PEOPLE SAY TO ME, DOES HE READ SHAKESPEARE BY THE BEDSIDE? I SAID, WHAT DO YOU TELL THEM? SHE SAID, YES, YOU DO, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS ARE. SO I TOOK 10 YEARS AWAY FROM DOING IT, BUT QUITE A LOT OF TIME JUST READING OR BEING EXPOSED. IT IS ALWAYS IN MY LIFE. CHARLIE: WHAT IS THIS DIFFERENT? KENNETH: I SUPPOSE EVERY TIME A GROUP OF PARTICULAR PEOPLE DO IT , THERE IS A CERTAIN ELEMENTAL PART OF THE PEACE, SO MAYBE THE FIRST THING WE DO IS TO TAKE A SPEECH AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PLAY, SPOKEN BY A CHARACTER CALLED THE BLOODY SERGEANT, WHICH IS THE DESCRIPTION OF A BATTLE IN WHICH MACBETH IS EXTREMELY BRAVE AND HEROIC, FEARLESS IN FACT. INTERESTING FOR A CHARACTER WHO WILL BECOME FEARFUL FOR THE REST OF THE PLAY. WE DARED TAKE THAT AWAY AND PUT WHAT HE DESCRIBES ON STAGE. AND WE WANTED TO DO THAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. FIRST HE SAID, WHEN YOU MEET MACBETH, YOU KNOW A LITTLE OF WHAT THEY REALLY MEAN OF THIS YEAR LISTEN, SAVAGERY. A MAN WHO YOU IMAGINE IN FIRST PLACE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE PROBLEMS THAT HE TURNS OUT TO HAVE LATER ON WHEN FOCUSED WITH ANOTHER MURDER. IN BATTLE, HE SEEMS FEARLESS. WHAT WE WANTED TO CHIEFLY DO WAS INTRODUCED TO THE AUDIENCE A THEATRICAL ENERGY WHICH WAS HECTIC AND HURTLING, WHERE THEY CAN LITERALLY BE A PART OF THE HECTIC NATURE BETWEEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THESE TWO FUNDAMENTALLY, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PLAY, GOOD PEOPLE WHO MAKE BAD DECISIONS BECAUSE THE PLAY, CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PLOT DOES NOT GIVE YOU TIME TO THINK. CHARLIE: THE NEW YORK TIMES LOVED THE PLAY. THEY CAPTURED THAT VERY THING, HURTLING. FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF ENERGY. KENNETH: THEY WERE ALSO INTERESTED IN WHAT GOES IN THE CARDINAL SIN POWER, AND WHY AND HOW THESE TWO PEOPLE COULD DO THIS EXTRAORDINARY THING. ONE THINKS ABOUT IN PLAYS, IT IS EASY TO THINK ABOUT IT IN MELODRAMATIC TERMS, BUT THIS MAN KILLED A FRIEND OF HIS, WHO IS KING, WHATEVER, AND HE DOESN’T VERY SWIFTLY AND WITHOUT OTHERS BEING CONSCIOUS. SO OTHERS DISMISS IT AS IT IS ABSURD, IT HAPPENS TOO QUICKLY. OUR PRODUCTION WAS TRYING TO SAY PERHAPS THESE THINGS ONLY HAPPEN QUICKLY WITHOUT THOUGHT. CHARLIE: AND ABOUT HIS WIFE? KENNETH: SHE, I CAN’T DESCRIBE HER AS NOT WITHOUT AMBITION BUT A SICKNESS, TOO FULL OF THE MILK OF HUMAN KINDNESS. THERE ARE REMARKS OF HER BEING ESSENTIALLY GOOD-NATURED, BUT ONCE HE HAS HAD THIS AMAZING SUCCESS, REVIEWS ARE BRILLIANT AS IT WERE THAT DUNCAN SAYS FANTASTIC, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU, I AM PLANTING YOU, YOU WILL HAVE ALL SORTS OF REWARDS. CHARLIE: A NEW NAME. KENNETH: A NEW NAME EVEN, BUT I AM GIVING MY JOB TO HIM, INSTEAD OF MY SON. AND IMMEDIATELY MAC BETH, CERTAINLY WITH THE WITCHES IN HIS PRONOUNCEMENT, A FEW SHORT MOMENTS AGO, SAY, WHY SHOULD HE BE IN THE WAY? I WILL HAVE TO TAKE THIS STEP THAT LAYS IN MY WAY, WHICH I MUST FALL DOWN OR ELSE OR LEAP. OR LEAP, OR LEAP MEANS MURDER IN THIS CONTEXT. IT IS BASICALLY A WONDERFUL PLAY FOR PUTTING PEOPLE IN THIS UNUSUAL, EXTREME POSITION. CHARLIE: THE WITCHES ARE GREAT. YOU SEE THE OPENING WITH THIS DON’T HAND KIND OF THING. — YOU SEE THE OPENING WITH THIS STONEHENGE KIND OF THING. KENNETH: IN THE LIVES OF THE GOOD AND THE GREAT, THE POWER OF SUGGESTION. SOME WOULD SAY IT IS A SILLY PLAY BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT A MAN WHO BELIEVES HIS RISK UP. THERE — HIS HOROSCOPE. CHARLIE: WOMEN OF POWER BELIEVE IN MYTH AS WELL. KENNETH: AND ALSO, A PLACE IN HISTORY AND THIS IDEA OF WHAT THE LEGACY IS. MACBETH AND LADY MACBETH APPEAR TO NOT HAVE CHILDREN, SO IMMORTALITY IS NOT GUARANTEED BY FAMILY. SO NOW IMMORTALITY CAN PERHAPS BE SEIZED BY HAVING A NAME IN THE HISTORY BOOKS. CHARLIE: THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO, IS SHE MORE MET AMBITIOUS THAN HE IS? KENNETH: I THINK SHE IS EQUALLY AMBITIOUS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRIED TO BRING IN WITH THIS SAVAGERY, SHE SAYS GOODBYE AND HE GOES OFF TO BATTLE, THE IDEA OF WHETHER HE COMES HOME OR NOT IS REALLY VERY HEAVILY QUESTIONED. WHEN THEY DO COME BACK, WE DO PRESENT, WE WANTED TO PRESENT THIS FUNCTIONING RELATIONSHIP. THEY SCARE THE PANTS OFF OF EACH OTHER. VERY PASSIONATE. CHARLIE: THE PASSION COMES OUT. KENNETH: IAN MCKELLEN WOULD ARGUE THERE ARE NO SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGES IN SHAKESPEARE EXCEPT TO THE MCBETHS, WHICH THEY BOTH DIE AND THEY BOTH KILL A KING ALONG THE WAY. I FIRST THOUGHT THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS ESSENTIAL TO THE SHOW, TO THE PERFORMANCE IS THAT HE ADORES HER. SHE IS A NATURAL COMPANION FOR HIM, AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THE BREAKUP — CHARLIE: IS SHE STRONGER OR WEAKER? KENNETH: I CAN’T — THEY BOTH AT DIFFERENT TIMES INVOKE THE DARK WORLD. SHE IS THE FIRST ONE TO SAY RIGHT, I AM INVITING EVIL INTO THE ROOM. WE ARE IN A WORLD WHERE WE BELIEVE IN IT. YOU AUDIENCE HAVE JUST ENOUGH BECAUSE THEY WERE HANGING AROUND THE STONES AND THEY WERE SCARY, INVITING THEM IN. SHE HAS TO DO IT IN THE FIRST TIME IN AN FIRST TIME OUT. HE, THE BALANCE OF PULITZER — OF POWER SWITCHES. AND THEN WITH THIS MAIL-FEMALE POINT OF VIEW, HE SAYS LET’S NOT DO IT TONIGHT, SHE SAYS YOU HAVE GOT TO SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY. THEN HE BECOMES PRESIDENT AND SAYS LEAVE EVERYTHING ALONE, BUT HE WILL SWEAR OFF — CHARLIE: AND THE PROPHECY FROM THE WITCHES. WHAT THEY SAID, THEREFORE HE WENT OFF KILLING ANYBODY. KENNETH: HE SPENDS ELITE TRYING TO SWEAR THE CIRCLE. — ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO SWEAR THE CIRCLE. INSTEAD OF BEING THE FATHER OF KINGS, HE TRIES TO BUILD BOTH HIM AND HIS SON. HIS DETERMINATION TO LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED MEANS HE WON’T EVER SLEEP AGAIN. AND THERE IS NO SATISFACTION. AND THE FIRST MOMENT WE SEE HIM ASKING, HE IS WITH HER, AND THEY CELEBRATE. THE PRODUCTION HOUSE WALKS ON AT THE CORONATION. HE SAYS, TO BE THUS IS NOTHING. TO BE SAFELY THUS. I AM HERE, I GOT A CROWN, AND IS NOTHING. CHARLIE: SAFELY. KENNETH: TO BE SAFELY, AND THEN HE SPLURGES IN PARANOIA. CHARLIE: YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DOING IT IN THE 20TH — WAY IN THE FUTURE, A VERY FUTURISTIC KIND. WHAT DREW YOU AWAY FROM THAT TO WHERE YOU ARE? KENNETH: THIS DIFFICULT THING OF WHEN YOU COME UP WITH A SORT OF, WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL A SORT OF CONCEPT FOR THE WORLD OF THE PLAY, AND ALL OF THESE PLAYS ARE VERY ELASTIC SO THEY CAN ADAPT. SHAKESPEARE CAN SURVIVE ANYTHING WE STRUCK HIM UP WITH. BUT MANY TIMES, THE IDEA HAS TO DO WITH PRODUCTIVE QUALITY. YOU MIGHT GET, YOU SET THE MERCHANT OF VENICE IN THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE, AND YOU GET A RESONANCE WITH THE WORLD OF MONEY, BUT IS ALSO ABOUT LOVE, WHETHER THE GIRL IS GOING TO CHOOSE THE BOY OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. SO THE FUTURISTIC MCBETH FELT AS THOUGH IT POTENTIALLY DENIED THE SAVAGERY AND PRIMITIVE NATURE OF SOME OF THESE. AND MALCOLM LATER ON SAYS WE WILL MAKE THOSE WHO HELPED ME HERE EARLS, THE FIRST THAT SCOTLAND EVER HAS. YOU SENSE THE JOURNEY FROM PRIMITIVE TO MORE SENSIBLE WHERE PEOPLE IN POWER WILL GIVE YOU AN HONOR. CHARLIE: IT IS FASCINATING ABOUT SHAKESPEARE. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK I READ THAT JAMES V, WHO BECAME JAMES I OF ENGLAND, WOULD COME TO SHAKESPEARE PLAYS. KENNETH: HE WAS OBSESSED WITH THE SUBJECT. CHARLIE: THE STORY OF MACBETH, THEY THINK HE GOT FROM THE CHRONICLES? KENNETH: YES, SURE. SHAKESPEARE WAS FANTASTICALLY COMPREHENSIVE IN WHERE HE WENT FOR ALL OF HIS STORIES. AND ALSO, HE KNEW HOW TO BORROW, AND HE KNEW HOW TO BE INSPIRED. WE DID RECENTLY, ALEX AND I, THE RADIANT. A FAMOUS SPEECH ABOUT THE PART SHE SAT ON LIKE A BURNISHED THRONE. CHARLIE: THERE IS A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO. KENNETH: THE ESSENTIAL FOCUS ON THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TO COME LOCATED PEOPLE, A POWERFUL MAN WITH A BRILLIANT WOMAN, AND THEY HAVE A BALANCING IMPACT. BUT THE BARD SPEECH IN THOMAS NORTH’S LIVES OF THE ANCIENT ROMANS, ETC., SHAKESPEARE COULTERS FAIRLY COME INTENSIVELY. HE SCATTERED HIS GATHERINGS, BUT — CHARLIE: EVERY WRITER STEALS A GREAT DEAL. KENNETH: YEAH, YEAH. CHARLIE: THE RESULTS OF THIS IN TERMS OF, WHEN YOU, THERE ARE THESE SOLILOQUIES YOU HAVE WITH LINES, TOMORROW AND TOMORROW AND TOMORROW, DID YOU APPROACH THOSE DIFFERENTLY? THAT YOU WANTED TO, IN YOUR OWN RENDITION NOT TO BE DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE WHO HAD BEEN MACBETH, BUT SOME SENSE OF HOW YOU WANTED TO TAKE THESE DIFFERENT MOMENTS? AND DELIVER THEM? KENNETH: IT IS A QUESTION, FOR INSTANCE WITH TOMORROW AND TOMORROW AND TOMORROW, IT GREW ORGANICALLY OUT OF THIS IDEA THAT ASIDE FROM THE SORT OF FAST AND EXISTENTIAL HOWL AS YOU MAY EXPECT IT TO BE, IT IS ALSO — AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SPEECH — A SPEECH OF MOURNING FOR HIS WIFE. IN OUR PRODUCTION, THAT IS SO UNDERLINED THE PASSION BETWEEN THEM, THE DYNAMIC BETWEEN PAINFUL, PERSONAL LOSS OF A WOMAN THAT HE ADORED THROUGH HIS OWN STRUTTING AND FRETTING AND IDIOCY, IF YOU LIKE, INFORMS THE WAY THAT CAME OUT. IT BECAME VERY PERSONAL. WE WANTED TO TAKE AWAY — WHAT I HAVE SEEN SOMETIMES IN VERSIONS OF THE PLAY WHICH IS PERFECTLY FINE BUT NOT TO MY TASTE, THAT IT BE TO DRY, TOO INTELLECTUALLY EXTREME. CHARLIE: YOU DID NOT WANT THAT. KENNETH: I DID NOT WANT IT TO BE DRY. VISCERAL, PASSIONATE, AS MUCH EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE IN THE PLAY AS THERE IS LESS OPTICAL INTELLIGENCE. IT CAN GET VERY DRY BECAUSE THE POETRY IS OUT DENSE, SO BRILLIANT, SO COMPLEX. THE DOUBLE UP WITH SHAKESPEARE IS THAT IF YOU CONNECT ALL OF THAT BRILLIANCE, ALL OF THAT INTELLECTUAL FIREPOWER AT THIS INCREDIBLE LEVEL WITH THIS SENSE THAT YOU ARE WATCHING REAL LIVE HUMAN BEINGS, AND THERE BEFORE THE GRADE — THE GRACE OF GOD GO ALL OF US. CHARLIE: DEALING WITH LIFE AND DEATH AND HORROR. KENNETH: YEAH, SURE. CHARLIE: OR RAGE AND GUILT. KENNETH: PEOPLE, MY GOODNESS ME, YOU CAN FEEL THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE AUDIENCE. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PLAY AND PERHAPS WITH THE AUDIENCE, BACKING AWAY FROM THIS WITH THEIR FINGERS THROBBING, THEY HAVE DONE IT. KING DUNCAN, I KILLED ONE OF OUR FRIENDS. NOW WHAT DO WE DO THEY BECOME LIKE CHILDREN ALMOST. IN THAT MOMENT PEOPLE MAY NOT KILL A KING, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THINGS FOR WHICH THEY CAN NEVER RECOVER. IN ONE NANOSECOND, LIFE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. YOU FEEL ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE GO, OH MY GOD. THAT COULD BE ME. CHARLIE: EITHER THE CHOICE YOU MADE OR THINGS THRUST UPON YOU. KENNETH: IT IS TERRIBLY MOVING. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN THRILLED WITH IS PEOPLE FIND THIS MOVING. WHY SHOULD YOU FEEL MOVED OR EVEN SOME PATHETIC TO CHARACTERS WHO PERFORM SUCH HEINOUS ACTS, BUT SOMEHOW SHAKESPEARE’S MASTERY — CHARLIE: GENIUS. KENNETH: BY THE END WHEN HE LOSES HER AND CONVEY EITHER IN LADY MACBETH SORT OF SCENT INTO WHAT MAY APPEAR TO BE MADNESS, OR WHAT YOU ALREADY SENSE WITH MAC BETH AT THE END, SORT OF A GRAND THING TO SAY, BUT THE BLEAKNESS IN HIS SOUL IS SO PROFOUND, IT IS CHILLING. THE GLIMPSE OF A KIND OF DARK ETERNITY THAT HE SHOWS US IS SO TERRIFYING THAT YOU CAN’T HELP BUT BE MOVED BECAUSE THE PRICE HE HAS PAID FOR THIS MOMENT OF RECKLESS AMBITION IS SO DEEP AND PROFOUND AS TO SHAKE ONE TO THE VERY CORE ON HIS BEHALF. CHARLIE: AND LEAD TO HIS DEATH. KENNETH: YEAH. ISN’T IT STRANGE? IN THE END HE IS — HE IS FEARLESS AND BATTLE IN THE BEGINNING. THROUGH THE POWER OF SUGGESTION, HE IS FEARFUL AND GUILT LADEN, DREAM AND — WHAT THE SHAKESPEARE SEEM TO ADMIRE IN HIS SOLDIER POETS, BOTH FELLOW, MACBETH? IT IS BLOOD AND GUTS. HE IS RIGHT THERE IN THE END. I AM GOING TO KISS THE GROUND BEFORE MALCOLM’S FEET. HE HAS THE FOREST MOVED IT, YOU WEREN’T BORN OF WOMAN AND A BEAR AGAINST ME. YOU KNOW WHAT? COME AND GET IT. I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT. WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? SHOW ME SOMETHING. HE JUST HANGS IN THERE. SOMEHOW THERE IS A PROFOUND RESPECT FOR THIS MAN. I NEVER RAN AWAY. AND HE TALKS TO HER, AND COMPLIMENT THEM BOTH, TWO WORDS, TWO TIMES USES THE WORD DAUNTLESS. AND SHAKESPEARE ADMIRES, AND I DO, PEOPLE WHO TAKE WHATEVER LIFE THROWS AT THEM, ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER. WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO? SHAKESPEARE OFTEN SAYS THAT. YOU WANT TO FEEL GRANDER, BUT SOMETIMES THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SHOW UP. CHARLIE: IN YOUR OWN PANTHEON, IS THERE 1, 2, 3 AMONG SHAKESPEARE’S WORKS? KENNETH: GOSH, WHAT A QUESTION. YOUR LIFE CHANGES, YOU HAVE OR EXPERIENCE, YOU REACTED DIFFERENTLY TO THESE THINGS. YOU HAVE HAD MILLIE BRILLIANT CAP — MANY BRILLIANT CONVERSATIONS WITH HAROLD BLOOM. AND THE POLISH SCHOLAR, FAMOUS FROM THE 1960’S, WE CALLED HIM OUR CONTEMPORARY. AND HAMLET SUMS UP THE PROCESS OF LIVING, THAT APPLIES ACROSS MANY OF THESE PLAYS. RIGHT NOW ONE’S SOUL IS SHAKEN WITH WHAT MACBETH DOES TO THE AUDIENCE. WE ARE THERE. WE ARE THE LUCKY VESSELS OR WHICH THIS RING PASSES CURRENTLY IN THIS — THIS THING PASSES CURRENTLY IN THIS SHOW. CHARLIE: FIVE MINUTES BEFORE YOU GO ON, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO YOURSELF? KENNETH: I AM MEDITATING. CHARLIE: CLEARING YOUR MIND. KENNETH: MY FAVORITE QUOTE FROM SHAKESPEARE, FROM HAMLET IS “THE READINESS IS ALL.” THAT IS ALL I DO. PEOPLE SAY YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME IN NEW YORK? OH, YES, BUT PARTLY BECAUSE I AM AT THE THEATER MANY HOURS BEFORE ANY SANE HUMAN BEING WOULD BE. I READ THE LINES EVERY DAY, DO THE WHOLE PLAY IN VARYING WAYS, TRICK YOURSELF TO KEEP IT FRESH. FIVE MINUTES BEFORE YOU GO ON, MEDITATE. AND THE OTHER THING, I SWEAR TO GOD I THINK THIS IS JUST THE MOST FANTASTIC THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. IT IS REALLY TINGLING, NOT AN EASY THING TO DO GIVEN ONE IS AWARE OF THE SORT OF EFFORT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY GLORIOUS, GLORIOUS THING TO DO. I SOMETIMES FEEL — I’M A BIG FAN OF SPORTS GENERALLY. IT FEELS LIKE YOU ARE IN THE TUNNEL WAITING TO COME OUT BEFORE HUGE GAME. IT IS LIKE TOURNAMENT TENNIS OR SOMETHING. SOME OF IT IS UP HERE, SOME OF IT IS IN THE BODY. IN OUR CASE WE START WITH A FIVE MINUTE BATTLE. THEN YOU ARE — OH IT REVS YOU UP. WE FIGHT EVERY DAY. IT IS RAINING, WE ARE IN THE DARK AND 25 ENORMOUS FELLOWS COME OUT WITH COLD STEEL. CHARLIE: YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ATHLETIC, TOO. . KENNETH: IT IS MORE ABOUT THE DISCIPLINE REQUIRED ON THIS PARTICULAR JOB THAN EVER BEFORE. CHARLIE: GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE. KENNETH: THANKS VERY MUCH. CHARLIE: BACK IN A MOMENT. ♪ ♪ CHARLIE: MARK ROLLINS IS HERE. HE WON A TONY AWARD FOR HIS PERFORMANCE IN BOEING, BOEING. HE IS BACK ON BROADWAY PLAYING THE LEAD IN TO SHAKESPEARE PLAYS IN REPERTORY. HE IS KING RICHARD IN RICHARD III AND ANOTHER IN 12TH NIGHT. HE SERVED AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. CHARLESWOOD OF THE NEW YORK TIMES HAS WRITTEN HIS PRESENCE ON BROADWAY THIS SEASON HAS PROVIDED A MINIATURE ACTING CLASS IN SHAKESPEAREAN ACTING. I AM PLEASED TO HAVE MARK ROLLINS AT THE TABLE. WHAT A NIGHT. HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? THESE TWO PLAYS COMING HERE FOR YOU TO SHOW YOUR STUFF? MARK: HAS TAKEN QUITE A FEW YEARS. IN PARTICULAR, THE ARTIST, DIRECTOR AND CLOTHING AND SET DESIGNER AND THE MUSICAL DIRECTOR, AND THE KIND OF CORE PLAYERS ARE PEOPLE THAT WORKED WITH ME A LOT WHEN I WAS ARTISTIC DIRECTOR AT THE GLOBE. WHEN MY TIME FINISHED, MY 10 YEARS FINISHED, I IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO WANT TO PRESERVE OR CARRY ON THE ESSENTIAL CORE WORK OF WHAT WE DID, WHICH WAS A VERY CAREFUL, AND I HOPE RIGOROUS, ATTEMPT TO EXPLORE WHAT I CALL ORIGINAL PLAYING PRACTICES. HOPEFULLY KNOWN FROM SHAKESPEARE’S DAY. SO IT TOOK A LONG TIME. WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT A WAY OF MOUNTING TO PRODUCTIONS THAT WOULD BE POPULAR ENOUGH TO RAISE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE A WHOLE NEW WARDROBE OF CLOTHES AS THE ELIZABETHANS SPEND THEIR MONEY OF WHAT THEY WERE ON THEIR BACKS. CHARLIE: WHAT WAS THE TERM YOU USE IN TERMS OF ORIGINAL PRODUCTION? MARK: ORIGINAL PLAYING PRACTICES. THAT INSPIRED WHAT I WANT TO MAKE IN AMERICAN — THE AMERICA THAT FOUNDED THE GLOBE. NOT ONLY INTELLECTUAL INQUIRY INTO HOW THE PLATE MIGHT HAVE ORIGINATED, WHAT CONDITIONS SHAKES YOUR IMAGINED WHEN HE WROTE THESE — SHAKESPEARE IMAGINED WHEN HE WROTE THESE INCREDIBLE PLACE BUT YOU COULD EXPLORE WITH LIVE AUDIENCES AND LIVE PLAYS. SO HE SPENT THE LAST 25 YEARS BUILDING THE GLOBE THEATER AND DIED IN 1993, AND I BECAME ARTISTIC DIRECTOR IN 1995. HIS THINKING ABOUT THE GLOBE WAS REALLY THE INSPIRATION FOR ME, WHICH WAS HE DEMANDED THREE THINGS. I’M A VERY THOROUGH RESEARCH — THREE THINGS, VERY, VERY THOROUGH RESEARCH, MATERIALS, THE FIRST FACT BUILDING SINCE THE GREAT FIRE. A THOUSAND OAK TREES WENT INTO IT, LINE CLOTH, ALL KINDS OF OLD BUILDING TECHNIQUES AND ORIGINAL CRAFT SHOULD BE USED AS WELL. CHARLIE: SO THE PREMISE IS IT WOULD BE MORE INSIDE OF SHAKESPEARE’S HEAD IF WE DID THAT? KENNETH: WE CONFIRMED — MARK: WE CONFIRMED WE WOULD LEARN MORE ABOUT THE REASON HE WROTE THE PLACE AND THE REASON HE WROTE THEM. — THE PLAYS AND THE REASON HE WROTE THEM. THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES, HOW FAST IT TAKES, HOW FAST DID THEY PLAY, WERE THE PLACE CUT TWO HOURS, DID THEY PLAY VERY RAPIDLY? WAS IT TWO HOURS JUST TO DO WITH AMPHITHEATERS, VERSUS PLAYING INSIDE? FOR AN ACTOR, THE SPACE IS REMARKABLE. IT IS DAYLIGHT. THE ONLY PLAYED IN THE AFTERNOON. THERE ARE TWO WHOPPING GREAT PILLARS, SO THERE IS NOWHERE YOU CAN STAND WHERE SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WON’T SEE YOU, BUT EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU LIKE A BELL. TO THE FACT THAT AT THAT TIME A COMMENTATOR LIKE MYSELF, IF THEY WENT TO THE GLOBE AND SAY, I WANT TO HEAR JULIUS USER, THEY NEVER SAID, I WENT TO SEE A PLAYER AT THE GLOBE, THEY WENT TO HEAR IT. IT IMMEDIATELY DEMANDED IN MY TIME AT LEAST, A LOT MORE RIGOR ON ELOQUENCE. CHARLIE: BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THESE TWO PLAYS, 10 YEARS AS ARTISTIC DIRECTOR AT THE GLOBE THEATER. IF YOU WERE ASKED TO GIVE A LAST LECTURE ABOUT SHAKESPEARE, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT US TO KNOW? MARK: WHAT COMES TO THE TOP OF MY HEAD MAY NOT BE THE DEEPEST ANSWER, BUT YOU JUST CAN’T, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO THE BOTTOM OF HIS SENSE OF HUMOR AND SENSE OF WIT AND HUMOR. IT IS WELL-KNOWN THAT ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS HE IS REALLY GOOD AT DOING IS MARRYING OPPOSITES, JUXTAPOSING, OPPOSING SOUNDS, HOT EYES, COLD FIRE. ROMEO SAYS AT ONE POINT. ALSO JUXTAPOSING TRAGEDY AND COMEDY. AND HIS DEEP SENSE OF HUMOR EVEN THE MOST TRAGIC MOMENTS — EVEN IN THE MOST TRAGIC MOMENTS STILL STAGGERS ME. I DON’T GENERALLY FIND IT MYSELF. I FIND IN PERFORMANCE WITH AN AUDIENCE THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT — CHARLIE: THE AUDIENCE TELLS YOU WHAT IS YOURS. MARK: IT IS A COLLECTIVE THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE FOCUS ON ONE THING. MAYBE RELIGIONS KNOW THIS AND HAVE KNOWN IT FOREVER, BUT IT HAPPENS IN THEATERS AS WELL. A BUNCH OF PEOPLE FOCUSING ON ONE TOPIC OR ONE-STORY, AND THE CASE OF SHAKESPEARE, AND THEY ARE ALL IN THE SAME ROOM, IT FEELS LIKE EACH INDIVIDUAL IS CAPABLE OF SOMETHING MORE WHEN WE ARE TOGETHER FOCUSED ON SOMETHING, AS IF THE INTERNET IS A MANIFESTATION OF SOMETHING THAT EXISTS NATURALLY IN HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS. THAT THERE IS A COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE ROOM. CHARLIE: THE BRAIN, THE COALESCING OF ONE THING IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE SUM OF THE INDIVIDUAL PARTS. KENNETH: SO THE — MARK: THE WHICH BECAME THE GLOBE, WHICH IS MORE RECTANGULAR OR SQUARE SHAPED, AND THE GLOBE IS CIRCULAR. THAT COLLECTIVE EXPERIENCE OF PLAYING THERE FOR 10 YEARS REALLY AWAKENED THIS TO ME, MORE THE SENSE OF HUMOR OF THE AUTHOR. IT IS THE THING I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME BEFORE THE UNIVERSE DESTROYS THAT. CHARLIE: YOUR INTEREST IN SHAKESPEARE GOES WAY BACK, TO HIGH SCHOOL? MARK: IT DOES. I SKIPPED THE REST OF THE PARTY AND JUST PLAYED HAMILTON WHEN I WAS 16. [LAUGHTER] CHARLIE: YOU HAVE SINCE PLAYED HAMILTON — HAMLET, ROMEO, MACBETH. MARK: I HAVE BEEN 52 PRODUCTIONS OF PLAYS BY SHAKESPEARE OR HIS CONTEMPORARIES, MIDDLETON, PEOPLE WHO AT THE TIME — CHARLIE: IS IT ANY BETTER TRAINING FOR AN ACTOR? MARK: I HOPE SO. THERE ARE MUCH BETTER ACTORS THAN ME. CHARLIE: NO, NO, TO GET INTO SHAKESPEARE AND SHAKESPEAREAN CALENDARS. IS THAT THE BEST POSSIBLE TRAINING FOR AN ACTOR? MARK: NO, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT. I AM NOT SOMEONE WHO’S ONLY OPINION IS SHAKESPEARE SHOULD BE MEANT FOR EVERYONE OR LOVED BY EVERYONE. CHARLIE: OR SOMEHOW BECAUSE OF THE RANGE, IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIG DEEP IN UNDERSTANDING HUMAN NATURE, THEREFORE UNDERSTANDING ACTING OR LARGER ABILITY TO INHABIT DIFFERENT CHARACTERS? MARK: IT DEPENDS HOW YOU APPROACH IT. YOU AND I COULD GET A SET OF PAINTS WHERE WE DO NOT NECESSARILY COME UP WITH THE SAME THING. CHARLIE: IT DOES NOT COME FROM THE PAINTING, IT COMES FROM THE HEAD. MARK: IT COMES FROM YOUR LIFE AND THE WAY IN WHICH YOU DEAL WITH SHAKESPEAREAN MATERIAL. I DON’T KNOW THAT ROBERT ORDERED TRACY OR CLIFF — BRANDO ACTUALLY GIVES THE BEST SHAKES. PERFORMANCES FOR MY TASTE I HAVE EVER HEARD LIKE MARK ANTHONY. ALSO YOU GET THE TESTING PERFORMANCE FROM GILDER, VERY FAST. INCREDIBLY FAST. CHARLIE: WHY IS BRANDO AS MARC ANTHONY A GOOD? MARK: BECAUSE HE IS SO PRESENCE. THOSE WORDS HAD NEVER BEEN SAID BEFORE, AND HE ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO CONVINCE THE FRIEND, THE ROMANS, THE COUNTRYMEN — CHARLIE: THAT HAS BEEN SAID AT THIS TABLE BEFORE. CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT THESE WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SAID BEFORE, AND I AM JUST THE ONE. THANK YOU FOR COMING. IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE. ♪ CHARLIE: STEPHEN FRY IS HERE, HE IS A WRITER, DOCUMENTARY MAKER AND LYRICAL ACTIVIST. HE HAS INTERVIEWED STEVE JOBS, BEEN TO PRESENT AND HE THOUGHT HE WOULD DEVOTE HIS LIFE TO STUDYING SHAKESPEARE. HE’S MAKING HIS BROADWAY DEBUT PLAYING MALVOLIO IN SHAKESPEARE’S 12TH NIGHT. I AM PLEASED TO HAVE HIM HERE IN THIS TABLE. HOW IS IT TO BE ON BROADWAY IN THIS REMARKABLE PRODUCTION AND LAYING WITH — STEPHEN: IT IS REMARKABLE NOT JUST BECAUSE IT IS THE GREATEST STAGE ACTING IN THE WORLD, MARK RYLANCE PLAYING RICHARD THE THIRD, IT IS A DOUBLE BILL. THE GREAT SAM WANAMAKER, WE HAD TO BRING IN SLIGHTLY. THE GLOBE HAD BEEN LIKE A TABLE. IT WAS LIKE A WOODEN O, AND TV IS A WOODEN O. THAT IS LIKE EXPANDING IT. SO YOU HAVE HALF OF IT ANYWAY HIS PEOPLE STANDING. IT IS THE YARD, AND THEY ARE CALLED THE GROUNDLINGS. THEY WOULD PAY A PENNY. THERE WERE GRANDER PEOPLE, ARISTOCRACY WOULD SIT AND WATCH. IS MORE OR LESS THE SAME NOW. PEOPLE QUEUE FOR A LONG TIME IN LINE TO GET A STANDING UP SEATS , BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT. AND THE RELATIONSHIP YOU HAVE WITH THE AUDIENCE IS, THERE IS NOTHING LIKE IT. YOU REALIZE EVERY SOLILOQUY IS A CONVERSATION. CHARLIE: IT IS AN ALL-MALE CAST. STEPHEN: IT IS LIKE AN ORIGINAL PRACTICES CAST. SO EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT OF THE PLAY IS AS FAR AS DRASTICALLY WE KNOW, ABSOLUTELY AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN SHAKESPEARE’S DAY. WE ALSO NOTE 12 NIGHT WAS PERFORMED INDOORS, IN A TEMPLE, ONE OF THE HOLES, MEDIEVAL HOLES THE — HALLS USED BY LAWYERS. WE KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE IT HAS NOT CHANGED. AND IT HAPPENED A LOT BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY FAMOUS. DURING THE HOURS OF DAYLIGHT, YOU CAN USE THE WOODEN THEATER, BUT YOU HAVE THE REST OF THE YEAR TO KEEP YOUR ACTORS AND FROM STARVATION. SO YOU 02 LAWYERS — YOU GO TO LAWYERS HALLS AND PLAY YOUR PLAY. AND THIS NEW ONE WAS CLEARLY WRITTEN FOR INDOOR. YOU CAN SORT OF TELL. AND FOR INTELLIGENT LAWYERS AND PEOPLE TO COME WATCH, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT PLAY. IT IS HILARIOUS, AND IS FAST. CHARLIE: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER, BUT LET ME GO BACK. DID YOU WANT TO BE A SIX. SCHOLAR? — DID YOU WANT TO BE A SHAKESPEAREAN SCHOLAR? CAMBRIDGE. STEPHEN: I FOUND IT EASIEST TO WRITE ON SHAKESPEARE, I LOVED HIS PLAYS, PERFORMING THEM AT CAMBRIDGE. I THOUGHT I WOULD DO A THESIS, DOCTORAL THESIS ON SOME ASPECT OF SHAKESPEARE. AND GO TO A CORNER OF THE COLLEGE SOMEWHERE. ONE OF MY CONTEMPORARIES HAS BECOME THE GREATEST SHAKESPEAREAN SCHOLAR IN BRITAIN, JONATHAN BATES. CHARLIE: TALK TO ME ABOUT THE PART. MALVOLIO? STEPHEN: MALVOLIO. VERY SOME — VERY HARD TO SAY WHO IS RIGHT. AMERICAN ENGLISH IS SAID TO BE THE CURRENT ENGLISH OF SHAKESPEARE. MALVOLIO MEANS, IT IS SORT OF LATIN, AND IT MEANS ILL WILL. THIS CHARACTER, WHICH MEANS ILL DISPOSED. ALSO RATHER BIZARRELY THERE ARE THESE AND A GRAMMATIC CONNECTIONS — ANAGRAMATIC WITH VIOLA AND MALVOLIO. VIOLA IS IN MOURNING AND THAT HER BROTHER DIES. SO SHE IS IN CHARGE OF THIS VAST ESTATE AND SHE HAS A STEWARD, MALVOLIO. AND SHE HAS AN UNCLE, UNCLE TOBY, WHO IS AT DRINKER. AND SHE HAS A CHAMBERMAID AND A FOOL WHO TELLS US THINGS YOU DON’T LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT. AND THE NEARBY DUKE IS DEEPLY INTO LOVE WITH HER, BUT HE SWEARS IN SEVEN YEARS YOU WILL WEAR A VEIL. THE SHIPWRECK HAPPENS WHERE HER TWIN BROTHER AND SISTER, EACH BELIEVE THE OTHER DROWNED. THE SISTER COMES UP AND THE SEA CAPTAIN WHO HAS RESCUED HER, SHE SAID, WHAT CAN A WOMAN TO ON HER OWN, WHAT IS IT? OH, MY BROTHER IS DROWNED, HOW WILL I GET BACK TO WHERE I COME FROM? I HAVE THIS TRUNK OF CLOTHES WITH MY BROTHER CLOTHES. ADDRESS ME AS A MAN, TAKE ME — DRESS ME AS A MAN, TAKE ME TO THE LOCAL PLACE. AND THIS MAN IS A UNIT, SO PROBABLY A BLACK BOY. SHE DRESSES AS A BOY, CALLED HERSELF ROSARIO. AND THEN OLIVIA STARTS TO FALL IN LOVE, BUT WE KNOW SHE IS A GIRL. AND SEBASTIAN HAS SURVIVED AND LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME, AND HE IS BEING TAKEN AWAY BY ANTONIO, AN OLD PIRATE. WE DON’T KNOW HOW, BUT IT IS USED BY THOSE WHO PUSH THE HOMOEROTIC NATURE OF SHAKESPEARE. HE TALKS ABOUT ABSOLUTE DEVOTION AND LOVE, PURE LOVE OF SEBASTIAN. THEY NEVER MEET UNTIL THE FINAL, ABSOLUTELY FARCICAL MOMENTS WHERE THEY ARE ON STAGE AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING IDENTICAL. AND ANTONIO, HE SAYS SEBASTIAN, ARE YOU? HE SAYS, HOW CAN YOU TELL? HE SAID, HOW HAVE YOU DIVIDED YOURSELF? AND THEY LOOK AT EACH OTHER, AND THE CAN’T BELIEVE IT. AND IT MEANS THAT VIOLA CAN ACTUALLY MANDATE — MARY SEBASTIAN, WHO LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE GIRL SHE WANTED TO MARRY, AND THE GIRL TO MARRY THE DUKE. AND I HAVE A TERRIBLE TRICK PLAYED ON ME BECAUSE I AM A SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME, A PURITAN. I AM DESCRIBED AS A CURATIVE. HE TALKS ABOUT THE DEVIL, WHETHER HE THINKS WILL IMPRESS PEOPLE. BUT I CERTAINLY DON’T LIKE OTHER PEOPLE. I LIKE TO BE THE BOSS, AND I AM PLEASED WITH MYSELF AND ASSUME EVERY BUDDY ADORES ME. THEY PLAY THIS VERY, VERY CRUEL TRICK ON ME. IT LOOKS AS IF IT IS A SECRET FROM OLIVIA, THE COUNTESS, TO ME TO SAY SHE LOVES ME AND TELLING ME TO WHERE PARTICULAR CLOTHES — WEAR PARTICULAR CLOTHES. AND TO SMILE ALL THE TIME. AND SHE HATES THE OTHER PERSON, AND DOES NOT LIKE PEOPLE SMILING WHEN SHE IS GRIEVING FOR HER BROTHER. SO IT IS ULTIMATELY MALVOLIO THE FOOL WHO ENDS UP IN PRISON. CHARLIE: TELL ME HOW YOU APPROACHED, AND WHAT WAS IT FOR YOU AS AN ACTOR TO GET INSIDE OF MALVOLIO? STEPHEN: SOME PEOPLE MENTION HE IS US POMPOUS — A POMPOUS, SELF REGARDING ASS. PEOPLE OFTEN FIND IT PRETENTIOUS. OUR JOB IS SIMPLY TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE. WE DON’T NECESSARILY NEED TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS, BUT PEOPLE ASK SO WE RIGHTFULLY AND HER. AND YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE — WE RIGHTFULLY ANSWER. AND YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THESE ARE REAL PEOPLE. IN GENERAL — MOBILE YOU THINKS HE IS TAKING THE HOUSE — MALVOLIO THINKS HE IS TAKING CARE OF THE HOUSE. HE THINKS HE WOULD MAKE A WONDERFUL HUSBAND FOR OLIVIA AND THINKS IT THERE IS AN EXAMPLE, THE LADY OF THE STRAIGHT MARRIED THE WARDROBE. THERE ARE LOCAL REFERENCES TO TIMES WHEN A SERVANT HAS MARRIED THE MISTRESS OR MASTER. SO HE JUST GOES OFF INTO A FANTASYLAND. OTHER PEOPLE HAVE PLAYED HIM QUITE WICKED OR HIGHLY COMIC. CHARLIE: THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ♪ ♪ CHARLIE: JOHN LYTHGOE IS HERE. HE HAS WON EMMYS AND TONY AWARDS ON STAGE, TWICE OSCAR-NOMINATED FOR HIS WORK IN FILM. HE IS PLAYING ONE OF THE MOST DEMANDING AND CHALLENGING PARTS EVER WRITTEN FOR THE STAGE. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW I AM TALKING ABOUT KING LEAR. THIS IS A SHAKESPEARE IN THE PARK PRODUCTION AT DELACORTE THEATER IN NEW YORK CENTRAL PARK THROUGH AUGUST 17. I AM VERY PLEASED TO HAVE JOHN LITHGOW ON THIS PROGRAM. JOHN: GREAT TO BE HERE, CHARLIE. CHARLIE: HOW DOES JOHN AND KING LEAR COME HERE TOGETHER? JOHN: THE PLATE IS MUCH GREATER THAN I AM. I HAVE BEEN NAGGING SOMEONE TO CONSIDER ME FOR IT. PROBABLY, THE FIRST I MENTIONED IT TO HIM IS PROBABLY LONG BEFORE I SHOULD HAVE PLAYED IT. BUT NOW I THINK I HAVE JUST ENTERED THAT INTERESTING WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY FOR LEAR, WHEN YOUR YOUNG ENOUGH TO PLAY IT WHEN YOU STILL HAVE THE STRENGTH BUT OLD ENOUGH TO PLAY IT BECAUSE YOU CAN BRING AUTHENTICITY TO AN OLD MAN LOSING HIS VIABILITY. I KNOW IT BETTER THAN I EVEN REALIZED. I HAVE SEEN IT SO MANY TIMES IN MY LIFE. I PLAYED IT IN COLLEGE. BUT I FIGURED IT IS GOING TO BE SUCH A DEMANDING PART. THE REHEARSAL PERIOD IS GOING TO BE SO, SO TOUGH. THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS TO GO HOME AND STUDY WORDS AT NIGHT. SO I LEARNED IT COMPLETELY COLD ON THE FIRST DAY OF REVERSAL. THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER DONE THAT. SURE ENOUGH, I MEAN, IT WAS A PROCESS OF STAMINA BUILDING, REHEARSING IT. CHARLIE: TALK ABOUT LEARNING. YOU HAD A UCLA STUDENT COMING IN, HE WOULD YOU USE A YOU KNEW THE LINES THAT LED TO — HE WOULD CUE YOU SO YOU KNEW THE LINES TO COME IN? JOHN: IN MY DAYS ON THIRD ROCK FROM THE SUN, I WORKED OUT AN EXTREMELY EFFICIENT WAY OF MEMORIZING GREAT GOBS OF MATERIAL BECAUSE IT CAME AT YOU VERY FAST AND WAS VERY WORDY AND FAST-PACED SHOW. I TRAINED MY ASSISTANT TO FEED ME MY LINES WITH A THREE MINUTE PAUSE, THREE SECOND PAUSE BETWEEN EVERY SINGLE WORD. AND I WOULD DRILL THE LINE IN ALL THOSE PAUSES, AND I CAN LEARN A SPEECH LIKE THAT ONCE THROUGH. THAT IS HOW I WENT ABOUT STUDYING. CHARLIE: THE IDEA OF MEMORIZING THINGS IS A GREAT FASCINATION FOR ME. JOHN: IT GETS HARDER AS YOU GET OLDER. CHARLIE: MAKING SPEECHES. JOHN: YES, RIGHT, THAT WHOLE THING. WITH LEAR, THERE IS ALSO A SERVER PER — SUPERB INTERNAL LOGIC TO THE WRITING. I HAVE ABSORBED IT OVER THE YEARS, ALL THOSE BRILLIANT AND VIVID SPEECHES. CHARLIE: WHAT IS THE CHALLENGE OF PLAYING IT OUTSIDE? JOHN: IT IS LESS OF A CHALLENGE THAN A MARVELOUS OPPORTUNITY. IT IS A BIG PLAY FULL OF GIGANTIC PASSIONS AND GIGANTIC IDEAS, AND I AM A VERY, VERY TOLERABLE ACTOR. IT IS AS BIG AS THE BIG OUTDOORS. AT THE DELACORTE WITH HIS HUNGRY AUDIENCE, AN AUDIENCE OF PASSIONATE NEW YORK THEATERGOERS WHO HAVE WAITED ALL DAY TO GET THEIR TICKETS, THEY ARE SO HUNGRY FOR IT, THEY ARE COMPLETELY GRIPPED BY IT. WHEN THE ELEMENTS COME ALONG, WE HAD TWO NIGHTS OF RAIN, AND YET WE PERFORMED THE THING ANYWAY, THEY STAY RIGHT WITH US. IN FACT, THEY THINK IT IS EVEN BETTER. AFTER ALL, I DO GET TO SAY “BLOW WINDS.” CHARLIE: THE IDEA OF SO MANY GREAT ACTORS PERFORMING THIS, DID PREPARATION INCLUDE WATCHING, UNDERSTANDING, LOOKING AT THOSE PERFORMANCES NOT TOO INTERPRETED — NOT TO COPY THEM BUT TO UNDERSTAND THE RANGE OF INVITATION — OF INTERPRETATION? JOHN: I CALCULATED THIS OVER THE YEARS, AND YOU REMEMBER ALL SORTS OF THINGS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCES. THE MOST VIVID I THINK WITH THE VERY FIRST COUPLE OF TIMES I SIZE, I SAW — COUPLE OF TIMES I SAW, I SAW POLSKA APPEALED DO IT. THAT WAS LOOK — PAUL SCOFFIELD DO IT. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF LEARS, AND I STOPPED SEEING THEM. THE LAST ONE WAS DEREK JACOBI. I DID NOT SEE FRANK GORE SIMON RUSSELL BEALE OR OTHERS. BUT AT SOME POINT I HAD TO MAKE IT COMPLETELY MY OWN WITH NO ONE SITTING ON MY SHOULDER. CHARLIE: DID YOU SEE IT, WHAT THE PRODUCTION PUT ON BY YOUR FATHER? JOHN: NO, HE DID NOT PUT IT ON, BUT WHEN HE PUT KING LEAR ON, I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD. MY PARENTS YOU I WOULDN’T LAST TO THE END. NO, THE FIRST TIME I SAW IT WAS IN 1962, THE FIRST SEASON OF SHAKESPEARE IN THE PARK AT THE DELACORTE WITH FRANK SILVERA IN THE ROLE. AND HE COMPLETELY THROTTLED ME. THAT, YOU REMEMBER, YOU REMEMBER JUST THE IMPACT OF A PLAY LIKE THIS. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I SAW DEATH OF A SALESMAN. CHARLIE: ARE THERE OTHER THINGS YOU VERY MUCH WANT TO PLAY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE DONE, ARE THERE MISSING ELEMENTS FOR YOU IN TERMS OF GREAT CHARACTERS? JOHN: I WOULD SAY THE ONLY ONE WASJOHN: KING LEAR. I DON’T HAVE ANY BUCKET LIST TO PLAY OR PART ANYMORE. I AM ABOUT TO DO A DELICATE BALANCE ON BROADWAY, AND I AM THRILLED TO BE DOING THAT, BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING I AM WAITING MY WHOLE CAREER TO DO. KING LEAR IS. IN MY EXPERIENCE, ALL OF THE MOST EXCITING THINGS I HAVE DONE HAVE BEEN OTHER PEOPLE’S BRIGHT IDEAS, THINGS THAT I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF MYSELF FOR. OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF YOU IN WAYS THAT YOU DON’T, SOMETIMES IN WAYS YOU DON’T THINK OF YOURSELF. CHARLIE: TELL ME WHO HE IS, WHO IS LEAR? JOHN: IN OUR LEAR, WE SEE HIM AS A VERY EXUBERANT AND MANIC AND EXCITING MAN, BELOVED MONARCH. BUT HE IS AGING TO THE POINT WHERE HE IS PROBABLY ALWAYS HAD A STRAIN OF MANIC TEMPER. AND IT IS DAN SULLIVAN’S WONDERFUL CONCEPT, IN MY OPINION , THE FIRST TIME YOU SEE HIM HE IS EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PLAN FOR DIVIDING HIS KINGDOM. LIKE IT IS SOMETHING HE HAS NOT REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH YET. AND HIS FOOL IS IN THE SCENE. YOU GET A SENSE OF HIM BEING A VERY ROBUST MAN WITH A HUGE, OPEN HEART, AND A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR, BUT HE HAS AGED MORE THAN PEOPLE REALIZE. CHARLIE: SOME PEOPLE ASK THE QUESTION, IS HE MAD FROM THE BEGINNING, OR DOES HE LOSE HIS MIND OVER THE PROCESS OF THE PLAY? JOHN: THAT IS ANNEXED TO A GOOD QUESTION, AND IS THE NUMBER ONE CHALLENGE IS CALCULATING HOW HE GOES MAD. THERE IS BEGINNINGS OF A PROPENSITY OF MADNESS. I THINK WHEN HE EXPLODES COMPLETELY IRRATIONALLY AT CORDELIA, IT IS A SHOCK TO HER. SHE HAS PROBABLY SEEN HIS TEMPER BEFORE, BUT SHE HAS NEVER SEEN HIM LIKE THIS. SHE HAS NEVER SEEN HIM THAT INSANE. THIS IS THE FIRST IN HIS WHOLE LIFE — THE PERSON IN HIS WHOLE LIFE HE LOVES THE MOST, AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THE INTENSITY OF THAT LOVE THAT HIS ANGER HAS SUCH A REACTION. FOR EVERYONE, IT IS A NEW SHOCK. THEY TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THIS. AND THEN IN SUCCEEDING SCENES, YOU SEE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF MADNESS AS HE DECLINES INTO A REAL DERANGEMENT AND DEMENTIA, AND THE ENTIRE CHALLENGE WITH THEM, SULLIVAN’S LIKE EXQUISITE GUIDANCE, IS JUST FINDING THOSE BENCHMARKS, FINDING THE MOMENTS. FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE MOMENT WHEN HIS MADNESS, HE HAS THESE HUGE TEMPER TANTRUMS WITH HIS DAUGHTERS, ALL THREE OF THEM. THAT PROPELLED HIM A CERTAIN DISTANCE TOWARDS MADNESS. BUT THEN HE IS SHOT OUT IN A WILD AND CRAZY STORM. THEN HE MEETS A MAD BEGGAR, AND THE SIGHT OF THAT MAD BEGGAR, POOR TOM, WHO IS EDGAR IN DISGUISE, SORT OF TAKES IT ALL INTO YET ANOTHER DEGREE. SUDDENLY HE SEES, THIS IS THE SOLUTION. THIS IS AN ON ACCOMMODATED MAN, NO MORE WITH SUCH A BORE — POOR BEAR FOUR. HE IS GOING MAD. IT IS TAKING HIM TOWARD — CHARLIE: AS HE IS GOING MAD, IT IS TAKING HIM TO SOME SORT OF — JOHN: YEAH, MADNESS IS VISION. IT IS CAUTERIZING WOUNDS, CLEARING HIS BRAIN. CHARLIE: WHEN YOU RECITE SHAKESPEARE, WHEN YOU SPEAK SHAKESPEARE, WHAT DO YOU FEEL? JOHN: I AM SO IN TOUCH WITH THE GODS OF EXPRESSION. [LAUGHTER] JOHN: I FEEL LIKE IT IS A MUSICIAN, SIGHTREADING HARMLESS CHAMBER MUSIC. A LOT OF SHAKESPEARE IS VERY FAMILIAR TO ME BY NOW, SO IT IS LIKE A LOT OF CLASSICAL MUSIC IS FAMILIAR TO MUSICIANS, IT IS JUST, I READ THOSE SPEECHES. THERE IS THIS INCREDIBLE INTERSECTION OF POETRY AND EMOTION THAT SHAKESPEARE, TO BE, HE IS THE VERY BEST EXAMPLE OF THAT. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT PURELY IN TERMS OF THE BEAUTY OF THE LANGUAGE, OR YOU CAN LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF THE POWER. CHARLIE: THE MEANING. JOHN: AND SHAKESPEARE’S EXTRAORDINARY EMPATHY. HE MANAGED TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THE SAME PHRASES, YOU KNOW, THAT THING I JUST QUOTED YOU. CHARLIE: WHERE DO YOU PUT LEAR IN ALL OF THE CHARACTERS YOU HAVE PLAYED IN SHAKESPEARE? JOHN: I ACTUALLY HAVE NOT DONE THAT MUCH. CHARLIE: HOW MANY HAVE YOU DONE? JOHN: I HAVE DONE ABOUT 20 PLAYS, BUT MOST OF IT WAS BEFORE I WAS 20 YEARS OLD AND IN SMALL ROLES. I DID PLAY MACBETH IN COLLEGE. I PLAYED MALVOLIO WITH THE ROYAL SHAKESPEARE COMPANY A FEW YEARS AGO. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE TAKEN ON ONE OF THE GIGANTIC ROLES. CHARLIE: IS IT SOMETHING YOU WISH YOU HAD DONE MORE? JOHN: I STUPIDLY TURNED DOWN HAMLET A FEW TIMES. I HAD OTHER THINGS TO DO. CHARLIE: WAS IT THINGS LIKE TELEVISION? JOHN: I THINK IT WAS OTHER PLAYS OR — CHARLIE: THERE IS THIS SORT OF THING THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT OF THE THEATER THINK — THAT WOULD BE ME — THAT EVERY ACTOR FEELS LIKE IT IS WORTH HIS SOUL, I HAVE TO TAKE ON HAMLET. YOU DID NOT FEEL THAT? JOHN: I DID NOT HAVE A BURNING DESIRE. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, TO BE HONEST, WHAT I LIKE WORKING ON MOST IS NEW MATERIAL. I LOVE WORKING WITH WRITERS AND CREATING SOMETHING THAT NOBODY HAS SEEN BEFORE. I THINK THERE MAY BE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL GOING ON. THIS IS VERY MUCH MY FATHER’S WORLD. AND I, AND I AM A TERRIBLE SNOB. I ONLY WANT TO BE IN GREAT PRODUCTIONS OF SHAKESPEARE. CHARLIE: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SEE YOU NEXT TIME. ♪>>WITH ALL THE RESPECT TO GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, WTF.>>YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE.>>THAT IS WHAT I SAY WHEN I WANT TO BUY SOMETHING.>>>>MIKE KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS.>>TRUMP WILL GIVE AN INTERVIEW TO THE IMPACT NETWORK AND HE WILL SPEAK AT AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHURCH. THIS OUTREACH COMES AGAINST A BUNCH OF CONTRASTING PIECES OF EVIDENCE WHEN IT COMES TO RACE RELATIONS. THERE WAS A PIECE PUBLISHED BY TRUMP AND HIS FATHER. THEY SUED — THEY WERE SUED FOR OPPOSING BLACK APPLICANTS. THIS TWEET WAS AFTER DWAYNE WADE’S COUSIN WAS SHOT. TODAY, I’M JOINED BY THE LEGENDARY MIKE BARNICLE.>>GIVEN TRUMP’S HISTORY AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED DURING THE COURSE OF THIS CAMPAIGN AND ALL THE REST, TRUMP IS GOING TO TALK TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS. DOES HE HAVE A CHANCE OF DOING RESPECTIVELY WELL WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS? CAN HE GET TO ROMNEY LEVELS?>>HE CANNOT. HE LACKS FAMILIARITY WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS IN THIS COUNTRY. THE THINGS THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIM ABOUT, THAT IS ONE THING. THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE ALSO FAMILIAR WITH HIM ABOUT DO NOT WORK TO HIS FAVOR. HE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE BLACK VOTE AND APPEALING TO AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHILE STANDING BEFORE GROUPS THAT LOOK LIKE THE ADMISSION COMMITTEE’S FURTHER THE AUGUSTA NATIONAL AND SOMETIMES, HIS TWEETS CAN BE MISREAD BY PEOPLE.>>TRUMP POINT BEFORE WHITE AUDIENCES AND TALKED ABOUT BLACK VOTERS IN CONDESCENDING WAYS. SOME SAID THAT THE FIRST THING THAT HE HAD TO DO WAS TALK TO BLACK AUDIENCES AND YOU SHOULD GIVE HIM CREDIT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT MOST MAFIC — MOST AFRICAN-AMERICANS KNOW THAT HE SPENT HALF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AS ATTACKING OBAMA AS ILLEGITIMATE AND, FOR MOST AFRICAN-AMERICANS THAT I KNOW AND FOR MANY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT HAS PUT THEM OUT OF REACH FOR DONALD TRUMP FOREVER. THEY REGARD THAT AS RACIST.>>DONALD TRUMP PURSUED THIS WITH A VEHEMENCE THAT WAS CRUEL AND STUPID, IN RETROSPECT.>>THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS A NEW NICKNAME FOR HILLARY. “HIDING HILLARY.” TODAY, THE 260TH DAY, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CLINTON FOUNDATION AND THE CLINTON TEAM HAS RESPONDED TO CALLS FOR PRESS ACCESS BY SAYING THAT SHE HAS GIVEN INTERVIEWS WITH 2600 QUESTIONS IN 2016. WHILE WE ARE ON THE TOPIC OF THE CLINTONS AND THE PRESS, THERE WAS A PLANE THAT WAS SEPARATE FROM THE PRESS CORPS. IN THE 1960’S, THE PRESS TRAVELED ON THE CANDIDATES’ PLANES. THERE HAVE BEEN DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT WHETHER PRESS CONFERENCES ARE A THING OF THE PAST IN THE DIGITAL AGE.>>THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT THE ONLY REASON YOU CARE ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE PRESS. SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE TRUE AND WE DO HAVE THE ELEMENTS OF THE GRANDSTANDING REPORTERS. ONE OF THEM, YOU SEE RIGHT HERE.>>WHERE?>>BEHIND YOU. HILLARY CLINTON HAS A SITUATION WHERE SHE HAS TO ADDRESS PEOPLE WITH REGULARITY AND SHE DOES NOT HAVE CONTROLS OR CONSTRAINTS OVER THE INTERVIEW. IT IS DIFFERENT THAN A ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW. IT IS A FREE-FLOWING THING AND SHE IS QUESTIONED BY PEOPLE WHO KNOW HER BEST. BOTH CANDIDATES SHOULD DO THIS.>>I AGREE WITH YOU, ALMOST COMPLETELY. THE PRINCIPAL REASON FOR A PRESS CONFERENCE HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH THE CLINTON GLOBAL INITIATIVE. IF YOU ARE SITTING AT HOME AND WATCHING THIS PROGRAM, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HILLARY CLINTON IS GOING TO DO ABOUT SYRIA AND ALEPPO. WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN AND AROUND THE GLOBE IN THESE SITUATIONS? YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT.>>THE LOGICAL EXTENSION OF THIS IS, SHE HAS NOT BEEN ASKED QUESTIONS VERY OFTEN AND THERE ARE BETTER CHANCES OF HER GETTING THESE QUESTIONS, IF SHE MEETS THE PRESS. DONALD TRUMP CALLED ON HILLARY CLINTON TO RELEASE RECORDS. THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN RESPONDED AND THEY SAID THAT THEY HAVE RELEASED MORE INFORMATION AND THAT “HEALTH” HAS BEEN AN ADJECTIVE-LADEN LETTER FROM HIS PHYSICIAN. LISTEN TO HIS DOCTOR DESCRIBE WRITING THE LETTER.>>I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ALL DAY AND I GET RUSHED AND I WAS ANXIOUS. I TRIED TO GET IT DOWN.>>I THINK SOME OF THE WORDS DID NOT COME OUT EXACTLY AS PLANNED.>>YOU THINK HE IS THE BEST. IT WORKS OUT JUST FINE.>>THERE ARE ARGUMENTS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. ON THE QUESTION OF HEALTH. TRUMP IS GOING ON OFFENSE. WHO HAS THE UPPER HAND?>>YOU JUST SAW WILLIE NELSON AS A DOCTOR.>>THAT WAS WILLIE NELSON AND THE DUDE FROM THE LEBOWSKI.>>I DO MY OWN GROCERY SHOPPING AND I MEET ORDINARY PEOPLE. THIS CAMPAIGN IS SCARY, WITHOUT PONDERING THESE HEALTH STATEMENTS. WE HAVE TO KNOW THEIR PHYSICAL HEALTH. THE MENTAL HEALTH IS ON EXHIBIT EVERY DAY. DONALD IS LOSING.>>I FIND IT TROUBLING. HILLARY CLINTON COULD TURN AROUND AND SAY THAT SHE IS HAPPY TO RELEASE THESE. BUT IT IS TRUE. HILLARY HAS RELEASED MORE THAN HE HAS, AND THIS IS RIDICULOUS. MIKE: WAS THAT A REAL DOCTOR? JOHN: THIS ASTERISK KNOWLEDGE OF OR WHATEVER, PRETENDING TO BE HIS INTERNIST. ACCORDING TO THAT MAN, THE HEALTHIEST MAN TO ENTER THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT FOREVER. MIKE: IT IS NO WONDER THAT I ALSO AGREE WITH YOUR INSTINCT, HAVING SEEN THAT DR. AND THIS DISCUSSION. THE ODDS ON 10 TO BE LOW. THIS BACK AND FORTH HAS BECOME — JOHN: LUDICROUS, EVEN THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IS KIND OF CRAZY. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT DOCTOR? WOULD YOU LET THAT GUY TREAT YOU? MIKE: HE HAS BEEN MY POSITION FOR MANY YEARS. LOOK AT ME. I AM THE PICTURE OF HEALTH. AND A HILLARY CLINTON WORKER HAS ANNOUNCED SHE IS SEPARATING FROM ANTHONY WEINER. NORMALLY, THIS WOULD NOT WARRANT OUR ATTENTION ON THE SHOW, BUT TODAY, DONALD TRUMP MADE IT POLITICAL, BY APPLAUDING ABEDIN, TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING ANTHONY WEINER SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. JOHN, DONALD TRUMP IS TRYING TO WORK THIS INTO THE NEWS. DOES THIS HAVE ANY POLITICAL RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER? JOHN: NO. MIKE: I AGREE. JOHN: IN TERMS OF THIS MATTERING TO ANYBODY OUT THERE IN AMERICA WHO IS DETERMINING WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT SHOULD BE, AND IT DOES NOT MATTER. MIKE: WE WILL MOVE ON. JOHN: OK, EVERYTHING COLIN KAEPERNICK RELATED. STAY TUNED. ♪

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  1. Apple was happy with the deal it made with Ireland… it saved money.
    Ireland was happy with the deal it made with Apple… Ireland got many jobs.
    Eu was not happy because it showed companies do better.. and countries do better when they lower the taxes…. HOW DARE THEY!!… SO THEY MUST PAY!!

    EU just wants to punish capitalism and competition.. because its convinced socialism works even though its destroying Europe at the moment.

    Im wondering if England is ready to make the same deal with Apple, they dont have to deal with the EU 🙂

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