All New Pinarello Dogma FS | Team Sky’s Full Suspension Road Bike For Paris – Roubaix


– The Pinarello Dogma. It’s a model that we first
saw from the Italian brand back in 2002, back when it was made from magnesium. It’s first proper launch though came in 2009. The Dogma 60.1. In the ten years since, it has undergone all sorts of upgrades and evolutions and we
have got an exclusive first look at the latest model. This is the Pinarello Dogma FS. (high energy music) It’s probably not gonna take you too long to work out what FS
stands for when you take a look at this. It is full suspension. This is the bike that
five of Team Sky’s riders are going to be using this coming Sunday at the 2019 Paris-Roubaix. It’s a bike that has been designed to be at it’s best over the worst
roads that Northern France has to offer. As such, I think that compliance,
comfort and bike handling were most definitely at the top of Pinarello’s design spec-sheet. Before we get onto the actual suspension part of this bike, there are a few slightly
more subtle design features to the new Dogma FS here. First up, there’s a slightly more relaxed head angle at the front there and there’s
also longer chain-stays than you would have on the standard Dogma. Reason for both of those
is extra compliance but also better bike handling
over the rough stuff. These chain-stays are
also designed to give 11mm of vertical movement. Now with most modern carbon bikes, there is a degree of compliance
there at the chain-stays but since most of them have normally got a rigid piece of carbon for the seat-stays between the rear-wheel axle
here and the seat-tube, that compliance is not
used to full capacity. I know, what you really want to know about though, is the suspension. Well it’s provided by
suspension experts HiRide. It has been used on Pinarello’s
previous K-series models. This particular system is
called ESAS which stands for Electric Smart Adaptive System. And the rear suspension, you may well have seen in the past on the previous K-10S model. However what you won’t have seen before is the front suspension and
that is because it is brand new. It’s basically like a
head-shock type system here with 20 mm of travel provided
by a metal spring which is hidden inside the head-tube. It’s got hydraulic damping and lock-out and it adds a not unreasonable 300 grams of total weight to the bike. And the smart part of the
system is a whole load of sensors which are located
here in the seat-tube. They will constantly monitor
the terrain and the conditions that the bike is riding over
and it reacts remarkably quickly to the differing terrain. So it takes just one
tenth of a second for the entire suspension system to
be locked or indeed unlocked. No real need then for a rider to make on the fly adjustments but
if they want to they can. There’s a button here on the
down-tube which they can use to adjust it or indeed
if they’ve connected it via Amplus or Bluetooth you can always control the suspension
using your head-unit or the app on your smartphone. Now there is three options when it comes to the suspension settings. You can either have race mode, tourist mode or custom mode. With tourist most it takes
much less of an impact for the suspension system to kick in. With race mode it takes a lot more. Custom mode as you can
probably guess means that you decide yourself
how sensitive you want the whole thing to be. All of the sensors are located
inside the smart battery which as mentioned is
here in the seat-tube and held in place by the
two bottle-cage bars. Now for suspension it’s
obviously a brand new thing to the world of road bikes
but it is not a new thing to the company HiRide. They have a history of providing
the necessary algorithms to the automotive industry to
provide their smart suspension system so it’s safe to say they’re a company that
knows what it’s doing when it comes to suspension. The down-tube here as many
of you will have noticed takes a lot of the characteristics from the Bolide Time Job Bike or the Dogma F10 and it’s got a concave trailing edge here which helps with the
integration of the bottle-cage and the bottle from an
aerodynamics point of view. Now I know a lot of
you will be questioning whether you at home need
to have full suspension on your road bike if you’re not riding the cobbles of Paris-Roubaix. But it will absorb all the imperfections of a normal road too which might not just make you more comfortable, it could actually make you faster. So our brains are programmed to associate high frequency vibration with speed. So for example, if you’ve got your tires pumped
up to a 120 psi or 8 bar, it feels like you’re going fast. But the reality is that generally
when things are smoother, you’re going faster. Take for example running wider
tires at a lower pressure. Rather than bouncing
around all over the place, the tires will absorb the
small vibrations of the road, keep you in contact with the ground more and that will be faster. And let’s take a really extreme example, you may remember that a few
years ago we tested different types of bikes over the
cobbles of Paris-Roubaix and the outcome of that
was that the mountain bike was the fastest despite it
being the least aerodynamic position and the heaviest. The suspension and the
bigger tires absorbed all of the vibrations
and that made it faster. Pinarello claimed that this bike over the Carrefour de l’Arbre, one of the hardest
sectors of Paris-Roubaix, is about ten percent faster
than a standard rigid road bike. Now you can take some
manufacturer’s claims with a pinch of salt
but given our own test of different bikes and also what we know about compliance and
comfort over cobblestones, I wouldn’t be at all surprised
if that’s very accurate. And I guess the proof’s
gonna be in the pudding. This coming Sunday, Dylan van Baarle will be using this bike, Luke Rowe will be on one, as will Owain Doull, Gianni
Moscon and Ian Stannard so we’ll see how they get on. Beyond the different frame, the rest of the group
set and wheel et cetera is fairly standard Sky
equipment so they’ve got the Shimano Dura Ace DI2 throughout, the Fizik Arione saddle up on top there. The Most stem and bars just here. They are running FNB tires though in 27 mm for the Paris-Roubaix. Right, let us know what you think at home about full suspension on road bike. Is it something you’d
consider or do you not think you would ever need full suspension when you’re out riding on the road? As ever you can let us know
your thoughts in the comment section just down below. And if you would like to see that video where we compare the different bikes over the cobbles of Paris-Roubaix, you’d be able to find it just down there.

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100 thoughts on “All New Pinarello Dogma FS | Team Sky’s Full Suspension Road Bike For Paris – Roubaix

  1. I’d have to consider a road bike first. This boy is probably gonna stay on the mtb. Not enough suspension on that yet.

  2. Sounds like the dampers are similar to Magniride suspension they put in Audi’s and Ferrari’s.
    So is Simon going to do a full review of this bike and secondly how much is it?

  3. I say bring on the full suspension. My personal road bike is a Cannondale Slate Ultegra and I freaking love it.

  4. Bike manufacturer : wanna try discs this year?

    Pro team: No! We cant put disc brakes on road bikes.. Theyre too heavy and we can stop well enough on rim brakes.. And its more maintenance. Are we riding mtbs? Blasphemy!!

    Biks manufacturer: How about some suspension for 300g more? We give you electronics that can screw out, hide all the springs and hydro fluid in the tubes and you'll probably wear headsets quicker..

    Pro team: Yeah sure! Seems okay.

  5. This is some cool tech, how can the UCI possibility let it race? Its too interesting and could lead to more interest in cycling in general, really needs to be banned soon.

  6. La suspensión frontal es de los 90's Cannondale , bla bla bla , aprendan a andar en una rutera o comprense una MTB .👎

  7. My Trek Domane SL5 has "suspension". It's bloody lovely on crappy British roads. It's no mountain bike but it takes the edge off it.

  8. how the hell do you know what the bike does , how many hours have you put on the bike , these advertisements are pathetic !!!!!

  9. I think the proof is unlikely to be in the pudding. It’s more likely that the proof of the pudding will be in the eating…

  10. Any mention about the direct mount rim brakes? Why not disc version?

    F8 anda F10 has the single bolt mount. Is this going to change?

  11. What’s the weight of the whole bike, or more specifically, how does it fare on climbs? Would a graphene frame with full suspension still clock on the low end of 7 kg or less? If so, that could become the norm for road bikes, but they’ll milk current tech a bit more then make us want a new bike a few years from now with tech that could be rolled out today.

  12. Dan, great review, as always! And must say, nicely coordinated color scheme between your shoes and the bike. Wouldn’t want distracting “shoes” in a bike review 😏🤪

  13. It’s a lot of tech, but Pinarello doesn’t release anything until it’s dialed in…I own an F8 and a K8-S(the predecessor of this bike)….I ride these 2 road bikes in rotation, both tubeless…and I have always felt the K8S to be as fast as the F8 except more comfortable…our roads are pretty smooth, so you don’t have to ride rough roads to benefit from the suspension…our group rides are 26-32mph so it doesn’t slow you down…when doing a Century, I ride the K8-S…fantastic bike on long rides and descends wonderfully….I have also ridden the pave’ of Flanders, and every sector of cobbles of Paris-Roubaix….and can attest that mountain bikes fly past you on the pave’(but you pass them on the pavement)….the K8-S works extremely well, and I expect nothing less than the FS….I just question why they didn’t spec it with disc brakes?

  14. Looks like the rear suspension on the seat stay is only attached to the seat tube with a very small bolt and lock nut, I don't see that lasting you several years of bumpy riding.

  15. When full suspension mountain bikes first came out I thought it was a gimmick.  Then after riding one I was shocked at how much faster I could go.  If I win the lottery this would be one of my dream bikes

  16. As soon as suspension becomes common on road bikes, Paris Roubaix will become the same joke as the Tour de France.

  17. I own the 1998 K2 ProFlex 5000, a full suspension mountain bike, that had back then "smart shocks" front and end, all that tech was shelved and over 20 years later it's coming back, you gonna hand it to the folk at Proflex, be interesting to see if the original engineers are around and tell us more about the tech back then.

  18. Full suspension is brand new, not to forget John Museeuw 1994 team GB-MG Bianchi. https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/retrofile-roubaix-meets-dual-suspension/

  19. you can adjust the suspension using an app on your dumb phone….why would you want to be able to adjust it using an app….whilst riding along?….ridiculous and stupid…

  20. is it a more complicated solution than needed? you said yourself that lower PSI in the wheels has the same effect…maybe run wider tires? Gravel racers are doing it. I prefer solutions like the Trek Domane, simpler and no batteries

  21. Just wonder how it feels, I mean in a straight away, great.. but what about sharp turns.. weight of the rider… Standing in the pedals…etc???

  22. It would be interesting to hear what Alex Moulton had to say about this model he may have penned the concept for this in 1965?

  23. 1) All that technology and still no disc brakes?  It's 2019 Pinarello!  Maybe they'll come out with a gravel version that has disc brakes?2) Top Team Sky finisher riding these bikes in the 2019 Paris – Roubaix > 32nd place

  24. Pinarello or should i say Pinagrello!? Probably the ugliest object ever to be designed in Italy. LOL! Go Ernesto C!!

  25. As having pretty bad overall road conditions here in Riga it would be very nice to have full suspension, but as ever – price is decider

  26. This is a great idea, but adds another factor of worry if something goes wrong. Until the technology becomes more mainstream on your average road/gravel bike, it looks like it could be more trouble than it's worth.

  27. Why do these road bikes need front and rear suspension for?… it will only make ride softer and feel numb… Wouldn't this rob your strength because shocks absorb energy.. I come from a road bike back in the early 90's where all expensive bikes were made of steel frame rather than carbon fiber composite and there were no shocks either. Seems like today's bikes are added with unnecessary things and become more expensive.

  28. perfect for Britain's roads which resemble something like the surface of the moon and any given UCI downhill course. mucho potholes!

  29. Seems that having a manual adjustment at the down tube is difficult when the roads are dicey. Maybe better to put a toggle on the bar near the stem, with a blip box in the down tube.

  30. This is the kind of bicycle we need to ride in Mexico City and its surroundings. If only we had the euros to buy it……

  31. Electronic suspension with "race mode" and "touring mode"… all you need now is a flappy paddle gearbox for this to officially become an episode of Top Gear. Oh wait.

  32. That’s not suspension that’s like 2mm of rubber that you call suspension/it’s a soft tail not full squish

  33. Interesting and I'm glad it's an available option for some. But like pickup truck tailgates with 135 moving parts, it addresses a problem I do not have. Just take 5-10 psi out of your 28 or 30 mm tires, or tyres. 😉

  34. I've got a few roads in my area that I avoid, the pavement is so rough it just rattles you to the bone; this would let me enjoy those routes which are really nice otherwise. That said I can't say there's a shortage of decent roads so it's this really is not that necessary; especially when considering the extra cost, I don't think it would be worth the small number of roads that would be opened up to me.

  35. Can't speak about suspension, but I can be persuaded; however, I can fully support the argument for wider tyres… I have both a Carrera TDF Ltd and a Carrera Parva (not made of money, so Pinnarello is out of my range…. But if someone wants to buy one for me I won't say no!!), and I have to say the fast hybrid with straight bars and wide tyres is just as fast as my road bike, and much more versatile too. I am going to take my fast hybrid to my next century ride – www.justgiving.com/stephen-tuthill4-QEHB – instead of my road bike for that very reason.

  36. Yet more uncecessary ‘tech’ that’s not needed! Few extra mil on the tyres, bit less pressure, grit your teeth and pedal hard, Paris Roubaix sorts the men from the boys!!!

  37. No way this works!! Batteries, electric suspension, sensors, Bluetooth, settings… Will never work in real life 🙂

  38. Comfort and compliance are vital for me as my back needs cosseting, so I am very interested in full suspension. Currently I rely on 35mm tyres and a USE suspension seatpost.

  39. I think i would used a full suspention bike myself having used a mountain bike on the uk roads simply due to the amount of pot hole I encounter

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